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 Post subject: Re: No-sex Sea Org Rule.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:27 pm 
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I remember reading the LRH Policy while in the SO. I don't remember the title of it. I do remember the policy stating that "LEGAL MARRIAGES ARE REQUIRED". It was "Out-2D" to have sex outside of marriage in the SO. My friend, Vince, and his "2D" (girlfriend) Stephanie married just after completing the EPF, and I believe they got a license and went to a JP to get married (not married by $cientology ceremony).

Ethics protection can apply to just about any out-ethics situation. If someone is KR'ed who is upstat, the response to the complaint is "sorry, upstat" (per LRH Policy).

BP. I also knew a couple who got married upon completion of EPF and got mariage license because they parents wanted that. But I think that Rodney was not getting any marriage liceses.


Okay, so Rodney just had a $cientology marriage without a license? Don't think that would be a "legal" marriage which is required by LRH policy, but then again, we've seen where CO$ practices don't necessarily go hand-in-hand with policy.


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 Post subject: Re: No-sex Sea Org Rule.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:13 pm 
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The "minister" who did the first marriage never filed the paperwork with California
I think all Scientology marriages are like that -- they lack paperwork, although I cannot say this for sure.
They are. There are many "married" couples in the Sea Org where a Scilon minister was involved; the county recorder was not, and this was deliberate.

In marriages, outside of Scientology, there's the presumption that the marriage is not legal unless a license has been applied for & recorded by the county. In the cult, that's wog law. Some public Scilons choose to do it this way. Most do not. The purpose for having the County record it is, so if the marriage ends, and it ends up in divorce court, where a custody battle ensues or a division of assets is involved, there is a record of the marriage. Many in the Sea Org choose to their marital matters to be overseen by cult ministers, and don't want the wog courts involved.

Tommy & Jessica had a small Scientology wedding in the Feshbach home in Palo Alto. No license was taken out by the county there.


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 Post subject: Re: No-sex Sea Org Rule.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:07 am 
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Ron did write something about masturbaton somewhere where his comment was kind of off-hand and didn't see too much wrong with it. Unfortunately I don't have the reference at hand so if it's not written, it's not true....so I guess I'm beat if I can't dig up the reference itself.

Anyway, once I was at Flag and I got up and decided to walk around, and the Flag crew was having its morning muster. The Flag ethics office (sargeant-at arms or whatever) had all the guys stretch out their arms...palms up. He was checking to see if they had grown any hair on their palms overnight...ha...ha....little scientology joke there.....I hope it's allowed.


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 Post subject: Re: No-sex Sea Org Rule.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:38 am 
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CoS lie about many things. For example, CoS officials often promise people with tourist visas to obtain green cards for them if they become Sea Org members. But that never happens. I met a guy from Hong Kong who joined Sea Org in search of green card. As soon as he realized that this was an empty promise, he blew. It does not surprise me that “married couples” were told that CoS filed paperwork for their marriage certificates, while nothing of that sort had been done.

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 Post subject: Re: No-sex Sea Org Rule.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:32 am 
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In California, the court recognizes palimony (Marvin claim). This means that if a couple lives together for an extended period of time and splits, he or she may have a right to receive support and/or a right to certain property acquired during the relationship. Always speak with an attorney to discuss your unique situation.*

The above may be relevant to Tom Davis and Jessica, if one or both of them have money.

Other Sea Org couples likely have no money to fight over. For them, an unregistered marriage = Vows that are legally meaningless, and can be voided with a wave of the hand by Miscavige - just like the Billion Year Contract.

* http://www.cadivorce.com/news/common-la ... age-myths/


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 Post subject: Re: No-sex Sea Org Rule.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:38 pm 
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That is correct, Don Carlo -- there is no money or property to fight over. All they want is a separate room where they can make love.

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 Post subject: Re: No-sex Sea Org Rule.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:45 pm 
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Years later I did ask a lawyer what would have happened had I torn up the license 3 days later like I wanted to, having realized I'd made a serious error. Would the marriage still be legal, even if the certificate was never sent in and recorded?

I was my ex-husband's second wife. The first wife he married in the cult. She left him about a year later.

The "minister" who did the first marriage never filed the paperwork with California. When the now-ex and I decided to get married, I went down to the County Courthouse to look it up. They said they had no record of his previous marriage, so he technically wasn't married, so we could get married, and it would be legal. I ran that second certificate down to the Courthouse myself.

The license just makes it legal for a third party to say the magical "I now pronounce you..." Tearing that up makes no difference. The certificate is the legal doc that says yer hitched.


In my case, the minister gave us the completed certificate to send in ourselves and because I'm way too efficient, I did so that very day. But, what if all legal elements had been met, except the mailing in of the certificate for it marriage to be registered? What if I had torn it up instead of mailing it in? Insta-divorce?

The way the lawyer explained, or how I understood it, was because the reg/minister who was legally sanctioned by the State had performed the ceremony (using the double ring ceremony from LRH's large, leather-bound Book of Ceremonies), which was witnessed and the certificate was then signed by the witnesses and minister, in short, all the legal requirements had been met. Even if it was never registered, the marriage was legal. The scenario he gave me was a What If. Let's say I tore up the certificate, went my merry way, and later married someone else? What if my ex objected? All he had to do, according to the lawyer, was round up the witnesses/minister and challenge the new marriage. If he made a big enough stink, I could get into trouble as a bigamist. Sadly, my ex was exactly the sort of person to do such a thing. He thrived on making big stinks- something I figured out within 3 days of married life, and why I wanted out.

You know, there's a lawyer joke in here somewhere...


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 Post subject: Re: No-sex Sea Org Rule.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:55 pm 
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The procedure is different in New York City where majority of my relatives got married. People do not mail their marriage certificates, they sign papers at a government office (sorry, forgot exactly how that office is called). A religious ceremony takes place after that where the priest pronounces them a married couple.

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 Post subject: Re: No-sex Sea Org Rule.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:29 pm 
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No time or energy for sex in the sea org! Worst cult ever!


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 Post subject: Re: No-sex Sea Org Rule.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:48 pm 
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^^ You are right about lack of time. But the energy is always there because the Tech cannot beat the nature. Some Sea Org men have enough money on their bank accounts to pay for escort service.

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 Post subject: Re: No-sex Sea Org Rule.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:21 pm 
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cleared bank wrote:
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In my case, the minister gave us the completed certificate to send in ourselves and because I'm way too efficient, I did so that very day. But, what if all legal elements had been met, except the mailing in of the certificate for it marriage to be registered? What if I had torn it up instead of mailing it in? Insta-divorce?

The way the lawyer explained, or how I understood it, was because the reg/minister who was legally sanctioned by the State had performed the ceremony (using the double ring ceremony from LRH's large, leather-bound Book of Ceremonies), which was witnessed and the certificate was then signed by the witnesses and minister, in short, all the legal requirements had been met. Even if it was never registered, the marriage was legal. The scenario he gave me was a What If. Let's say I tore up the certificate, went my merry way, and later married someone else? What if my ex objected? All he had to do, according to the lawyer, was round up the witnesses/minister and challenge the new marriage. If he made a big enough stink, I could get into trouble as a bigamist. Sadly, my ex was exactly the sort of person to do such a thing. He thrived on making big stinks- something I figured out within 3 days of married life, and why I wanted out.
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In a situation like the one you're describing, it's possible if you never mailed in the certificate, you could have just continuued on like it never happened, if you and the man both agreed to it. The key here is that he would have to agree to it. Since it seems like you consider him unreliable, it was better to go through legal channels so you wouldn't have to be looking over your should all the time.

I previously worked in the marriage license dept. of my county. There was a couple who came in and had been married many years, but they recently found out the minister never mailed in their license, not really sure why. They got an affidavit from him and were able to recreate a legal license.


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 Post subject: Re: No-sex Sea Org Rule.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:13 pm 
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brownjedi wrote:
No time or energy for sex in the sea org! Worst cult ever!
If you've worked a 100+ hour work week, the ONLY thing you think about is sleep. I remember back then being so tired that I found an empty cot in berthing to crash on; I didn't care how dirty, soiled, or odorous the linen was. All I needed was a soft mattress & a blanket.

Trust me. When Sea Orgers were horny, they found places they could go to get off.. usually hand jobs only.. alot of this took place on the upper balconies of Big Blue, away from prying eyes at street level.


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 Post subject: Re: No-sex Sea Org Rule.
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Smurf, are you saying that it might not be pigeon poo that is bombed from the top of the buildings? I get it, I imagine it is like boot camp, you are too tired, stressed, to think about sex all that frequently.


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 Post subject: Re: No-sex Sea Org Rule.
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“That sex is degrading and was forced upon us by evil aliens (a statement Hubbard made late in life when one can suppose, his own equipment was not in good working order)”
Urban Dictionary.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... id=3047645

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 Post subject: Re: No-sex Sea Org Rule.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:05 am 
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Demented LRH wrote:
“That sex is degrading and was forced upon us by evil aliens (a statement Hubbard made late in life when one can suppose, his own equipment was not in good working order)”
Urban Dictionary.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... id=3047645

I have fantasies about being forced into degrading sex by evil aliens. It all started when I saw the episode of Southpark with Cartman and the anal probe.


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