Either that, or Marty assumes it's going to happen, and thinks Debbie's going to come crawling to Marty & his adoring fan club for help. If the donations are actually used for her defense fund.. great.

But, it is very odd (well, maybe not for Marty) and ambiguous to say donations may be returned.. but the chances of it are slim. On a legal front, he's not covering his bases very well. What's the difference between this and someone being sought by police, informing them they would turn themselves in at a certain day & time... but maybe not.

Boy, that Marty sure is one smart cookie!

I think that I will start a defense fund to help Lindsay Lohan pay for her legal expenses, oh if Lindsay doesn't want it you don't get your money back, see I don't know Lindsay and could really care less what happens to her but I could use the money for that well deserved vacation in Rio or some other tropical local that has no extradition treaty with the United States!

Or maybe I could start a fund to help Kim Kardashian pay for her divorce?

My advice to Marty, is the path he long decided on his own, which was to get a job as a reporter, which he did, to some degree before he got all this new business the last couple years, of people wishing auditing repair and auditing services from him.

To me, he should do a job not related to Scientology at all, some job he loves doing, just per the book, "What Color is Your Parachute" says is the best way to find a job, namely decide what job you love doing, and go apply for that job. (Hopefully you don't love scamming people, as your job of choice though.)

Since he was an investigative reporter for that local paper, I would have thought that investigative reporting would be his fallback career, especially if he loves it.

My advice would be, for working in the media, if he likes it for real. And auditing people, as a hobby sideline, rather than his main income job.

Scientology is just not gonna be a big seller today, outside of the people who've been trained by the official church, and he's just picking up the defectors who've been mishandled case-wise (inevitably, since I don't myself think Hubbard's "case handling" tech is NOT by a long shot something universally beneficial, it's just not), and getting "new" raw public is the same old losing long range battle it has always been.

You just can't sell high volume dead space alien souls exorcism talk therapy! It's just unethical not to discuss in normal language one's offered spiritual therapy. And the upper OT levels, as LRH wished the final bulk of the upper levels to consist of, OT levels 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 are high volume exorcism of mentally messed up dead alien souls that infest each of us, supposedly.

No way to honestly discuss this openly, without people rejecting it outright.

The subject when told honestly, just loses customers.

So a backup career, or rather one's main life's job, ought to be something you love doing, my advice, from the "What Color is Your Parachute Book", which I learned about, from Jeff Hawkins, and that's the best advice I've learned!

Unfortunately, when you're dealing with a narcissist, or anyone that thinks they know what's best for themselves & everyone else, constructive criticism & productive suggestions get tossed right out the window.

Marty needs professional help to deal with his narcissism & anger issues. They won't go away by themselves. And it does not help him to have a bunch of adoring groupies applauding his every thought & decision. His fellow Indies are doing to Marty, what others do to addicts: they're enabling him to continue his current behavior. http://www.edrugrehab.com/good-intentio ... -an-addict

As long as he's convinced he's superior to others & is being enabled by his fellow Indies, his behavior won't change.

The cult is suing Debbie Cook for breaking a gag agreement:
OCMB Media Reports: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=52452

Looks like she put up a website in a hurry. She's soliciting donations on her own.

http://www.debbiecookbaumgarten.com/

I hope this turns into a foot-canon for the Cult. What "religion" does this kind of thing?

She should counter-sue and subpoena Miscavige.

Case Number: 2012CI01272
Business/Last Name: WAYNE BAUMGARTEN
Litigant Type: DEFENDANT
Style: CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY FLAG SERVICE ORGANIZATION INC vs DEBRA J BAUMGARTEN ET AL
Court: 150
Date Filed: 01/27/2012
Docket Type: OTHER CONTRACT
Case Status: PENDING

Case Number: 2012CI01272
Business/Last Name: DEBRA COOK BAUMGARTEN aka DEBRA J BAUMGARTEN
Litigant Type: DEFENDANT
Style: CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY FLAG SERVICE ORGANIZATION INC vs DEBRA J BAUMGARTEN ET AL
Court: 150
Date Filed: 01/27/2012
Docket Type: OTHER CONTRACT
Case Status: PENDING

https://apps.bexar.org/dklitsearch/search.aspx (Bexar County District Court)

I know you can always expect scientology to footbullet, but this? lol

She could tell all, now, and be just as liable, after consulting a lawyer, of course.

The cult is suing her for for disclosure...now is the time for anybody who had information for their pc folders or auditing sessions discussed in public. Certainly that is a violation, but a member of an organization even a "church" is allowed to air their opinions about leadership, policy, etc.

That's not true when a legal case is involved. Everyone has basic civil rights, but if you agree to forego some of those rights in a written contract, this is binding.

It's no different than anyone who signs contracts to join the military service. You can't just walk away if you find the environment distasteful or unpleasant when you land in boot camp. Yes, you could assert your civil rights & walk away, be declared as AWOL, be arrested, and face all kinds of criminal penalties.

I don't think you can sign away the first amendment. What the cult had them sign basically is a "get out of jail free" card for COS. We are above the law and you can't talk about it.

Well, that kind of gag order can't be legal. If you signed something like that it can't stop you from reporting illegal behavior. That would shred the constitution.

It is legal & binding. Ask Gerry Armstrong who signed such an agreement & violated it. He faces a jail term if he steps foot into the U.S. and is nabbed by police.

Tikk made the point when asked by Tony O: I asked about Cook waiving her free speech rights: could she really give up her Constitutionally protected rights of religious freedom?

Tikk: "No, the NDA only cites her waiving "free speech", not free exercise, which is a whole other animal, despite also being part of the same First Amendment."

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninsca ... e_cook.php

This suing of Debbie Cook is a perfect example of one of Hubbard's damned if you do, damned if you don't policy conflicts.

One policy says Scientologists are NOT allowed to sue other Scientologists. They are resolve things with Ethics. Debbie and her husband consider themselves Scientologists and absolutely will abide by a proper standard Ethics handling/adjudication. They can even request a Comm Ev, and per Hubbard Ethics Book policy, they must receive it, and that alone would derail the suit.

But then, there's the "Fair Game" policy, one option of that policy is to sue. Hubbard authorized suing in the Fair Game policy. He then cancelled the use of the phrase "Fair Game", but did NOT cancel the options, including suing, within the Fair Game policy.

Thus, conflicting policy, and Debbie Cook's being sued is a perfect example of right now, continued problems and uproar resulting from two Hubbard policies.

Official Scientology should simply retract the suit, because the "Fair Game" policy is NOT in the Scientology Ethics Book. And thus the Ethics Book is the wider policy known most by all the Scientologists, countless times Scientologists trying to sue one another found out that suing one another was NOT an option.

The Ethics Book should take precedence over the "Fair Game" policy, and the Fair Game policy itself, the options, should be retired in any case, as they violate the later Hubbard universal writings in the Way to Happiness.

If I were in Exec Strata, that is what I would order.