I call this 'L Ron's Apparent Push Pull.'

This is based on a suspicion because all I have to go on is the way things happened at the end of the cause/effect thing at the org where I was on staff. I'll try to explain.

Basically my premise is that while L. Ron Hubbard spouted "Expand! Expand! Expand!" in his 'scripture' at the same time he did things to keep expansion from happening.

There are several anecdotal instances that I am not going to relate that point to that. The stories are interesting but instead of telling them I'm going to describe circumstances common to them.

The way this would usually go is we would get something set up that seemed to work that got the statistics up on a regular basis where as a group we started to work like something of a team and share some kind of camaraderie in what we were doing. And we'd kind of get it in our collective minds that we could do this; we could expand the org, clear the planet and deliver what L. Ron wanted. Then things would be changed by someone with authority. Often this was a sea org staff member on a mission to the org. Less often it could be a staff member returning from training at flag (either the ship or the land base).

They would arrive in the org and put in a 'handling' that would 'repost' staff members, order changes to procedures, carry out 'handlings' on productive staff members and generally tighten the screws on the staff as a whole. This was all done in the name of getting the org on policy, slamming in production, increasing expansion, delivering to the public and so on. Most often the result was areas doing worse, blown staff members, down statistics and a generally crashed area.

The computation as to why this kind of thing happened was more often than not attributed to the people involved not applying policy standardly. The people involved were always middle to lower management and sea org missionary staff.

Looking back I think what was actually behind that kind of thing was L. Ron Hubbard giving orders to people to do it. The kind of things that were done were just too bizarre, too off policy and too frequent to just be a coincidence of wide spread 'out tech,' 'off policy' or 'mutual out ruds.'

I think the same kinds of thing happen now in a similar fashion with the current leader, David Miscavige.

Did anyone else notice this kind of thing going on in $cientology? As I said before, this is my suspicion, my guess, if you will. Beyond seeing what went on in the org where I was on staff I have no evidence that it was the case. I'm bringing it up because I'd like to get observations from others who were involved in $cientology that either corroborate or contradict my suspicion.

Somewhere in his Management Series Hubbard wrote that building of new Orgs is a good thing because more people will join in (“If you build, they will come”, said a historic figure other than Hubbard). This a mystical proposition that baffled me.

When I addressed this topic at WWP, one of my opponents quoted a Hubbard policy letter where the founder says in no uncertain terms that mindless building of new Orgs is a reckless policy. Go figure!

I say that Hubbard the Idiot contradicted himself once again.

In the beginning (before the Sea Org era) LRon seemed to have a few good ideas and may or may not have been onto something (hard to tell because most of his really good ideas were already in existence). But he wanted it to be all about him and didn’t want anyone meddling or getting any credit and especially any of the profits. So at any point that anyone other than LRon got any attention or came up with any valuable contribution, he squashed them or figured out a way to make them go away, like for example the people who really invented study tech. This megalomaniacal mindset was also the impetus behind the writing of KSW 1, imo. If an individual or organization tried to meddle LRon came up with the solution- simply claim they want to destroy him and his invention and thus label them “suppressive”.

How does this relate to the thing you noticed? LRon’s mindset (described above) transferred to the Sea Org and all its members. The Sea Org are (especially) LRon’s psychological clones. (That is why Marty to this day- in spite of appearing to “think for himself” really can’t. Until you let go of “LRon is my Guru” you are in LRon’s “valence” and you think you know more than anyone else, it’s a kind of an implanted egoism). Anyway, to answer your question, or comment on your observation, this is why when someone goes out to the Sea Org for training, or arrives at an Org on a Sea Org mission, things get all messed up. Stats crash, people blow, unusual solutions abound. It’s not because of David Miscavige (the Independents have a wrong why there). It’s because people go into LRon’s/Sea Org implanted megalomaniac mindset and the results of that kind of thing (disaster) are easy to see in any group, (not just scientology). That’s my take on the “push-pull” you speak of, the basis of which is, LRon telling you he’s helping you to think for yourself, all the while removing your ability to think for yourself. If you were able to “think for yourself”, then you might come up with a better idea than his. Oh, but no one is capable of coming up with a better idea than LRon, don’tcha know!

So yeah the Sea Org say “we’re here to expand your org” and anyone not drinking the Kool-Aid is like, “yeah, right”. Unfortunately, very few are not drinking the Kool-Aid, and those who are not receive Sea Org “Justice”, and are promptly removed from the group.

You’ve touched upon an issue that very few modern critics understand. That before Sea Org, and before Org staff were so heavily influenced by the neo-Nazi fascist Sea Org mentality, things really were different. I’m not claiming that the tech was all hunky-dory, I am simply stating that the individuals in orgs (staff and public) were not like the ROBOTS of today. Before the Sea Org there was an independent spirit in every org, in every scientologist. The Sea Org mentality of LRon’s (which was not always present in Orgs) later crept into every org and scientologist through a very thorough takeover and hijack of any possibility of independent thought (the details of which are too lengthy to go into here).

I am of the mind that LRon was a megalomaniac who- as time went on, became crazier and crazier. Now his creation (CoS) is simply following suit. You, Wieber experienced staff at a time when crazy was well on its way up. Dave simply picked it all up where LRon left off and took it to a whole-nother-level.

Hubbard's megalomania is a possible explanation of the irregularities that Wieber noticed. However, this is not the only probable explanation of his strabge mindset. It seems to me that Hubbard was so mentally ill that he contradicted himself on numerous occassions without realizing that he is talking (and writing) nonsense.

People who are seriously mentally ill change their opinions at random, without apparent causes and without realizing that something is very wrong with them.

How bad Hubbard's mental state was? There is a thread at WWP under the title Are Scilons in Love with LRH? RoLand started this thread, but I contributed to it by posting the Hubbard data showing that the founder was in a pathetic mental state. For example, Hubbard wrote in the same HCOB that Jesus is an implant and a thetan at the same time (to him thetans were just as real as the "meat bodies").

I might post this data at OCMB in the future.