Are they filming the sequel to Battlefield Earth at Gold? Snicker, snicker

Do celebrities ever go there? Do they make films and music? Do they have Grammies and Oscars on display?

Whenever Keith Henson pickets at Gold, the guards seem really threatening, more so than for Clearwater protests. Of course, the Fort Harrison desperately needs a flow of public Scientologists flying in for their regular fleecing, so Clearwater Scientologists can't abuse protesters in front of the visitors. But Gold doesn't need or want visitors. What are they hiding? Do they really have an arsenal?

Is it really a film studio? Or is this only a cover for a Scientology "maximum-security" prison / work camp?

My last post crashed and burned. Not a good thing for an airplane driver. I read somewhere that DM and the Cruise Missile spend a lot of time at Gold, on a clipper ship built for Ron. Together. Might just be some nasty wiseguy spreading rumors. Dont you hate it when that happens?

Here's the crash - and burn post again.

Not A chance is a pilot. Not A Chance has also determined, from long residence in California, that there are only two laws there: If you want to, you'd better not, and if you'd rather not you darn well better. You can't shoot someone for what you think they might do, if you could, everybody in California would be banging away at their neighbor. Which, of course, they're doing anyways.

500 feet over occupied areas is the federal legal minimum altitude, and probably too low for effective aerial photography. There's nothing that $cientology could do about one flyover, but stalking laws and noise abatement ordinances might come into play with an extended photomapping session. If $cientology has a major presence in the area, they might get protective laws passed. Is Hemet a $cientologist infested community? How big is it? Is the surrounding county rural?

This would not qualify as eavesdropping, because it's non-intrusive. If people want a "Reasonable expectation of privacy", they should put a roof up. Not that I'm trying to get anyone to do it, just clarifying things here. It might cause $cientology to put a camo net over the whole blinking compound.

Lt Rich A.: If this were a military op., we could drop leaflets. "This is a surrender ticket! Approach the victorious forces with your cans over your head...." Alas, it ain't. Are the operators at the implant station military, civil service or contractors?

Actually they are Marcabian Cockroaches. The only true personal here is me. . And yes I am military.


Later
Xenu's Loyal Servant
Lt. Rich A.
Comander of Implant Station Three

Don,

Yes, they do film Scientology training films there.

The activities at the Gilman facility include:

* Upper management offices

* Film and sound production studios. No grammies or oscars.

* Media reproduction facilities - the reproduction of audio & VHS cassettes

* E-meter manufacturing

* Celebrity retreat - there are stories of David Miscavage taking Cruise and Travolta out for golf on the facility's 9 hole golf course.

Other than celebrity golf outings, the public is not invited here and only staff - mostly Sea Org members - are allowed inside the gates.

Mike

Not A Chance,

It is highly unlikely that Gilman security would shoot down a plane flying over their facility.

If they were to do that, the Feds with search warrents would be all over the the propertry within 48 hours. Scientology has learned during the GO scandel and IRS battle not to go to war with the government like that.

Flying a banner message around the property while observing FAA flight rules is protected 1st Ammendment speech, but I strongly suspect that dropping leaflettes would be illegal.

Mike

Mike,

The reason I advocate a stronger message is this;

We must be honest with ourselves. No one in CO$ will listen to anything anyone has to say until they are ready to hear it.

In their minds,
A scientologist is the only one who is safe to look
A scientologist is the only one who is safe to think
and a scientologist is the only who is safe to talk.

Our concentration, as I am trying to promote here is not to convert members back into the belief of reality, but to stop new 'raw-meat' from being seduced. I don't think we should give up on the current members, We should readily accept them when they ARE READY, to return to Society.

I know from personal experience that a dedicated Scientology will not listen to you, will not even register that you are speaking to him/her, until you say things they want to hear. Sorry I wish I knew how to convince them that LRH was not only a fraud, but a dysfunctional paranoid meglomanic with delusions of grandure.

Wishing you lots of luck
Xenu's loyal Servant
Lt. Rich A.
Commander of Implant Station Three

Sounds harmless. Why are they so paranoid? Are the e-meters made by slave labor?

Does David Miscavige regard Gold as a totally safe retreat place for himself and his hand-picked celebrities? Where is his house? Does he have slaves trimming his hedges?

This just reminded me of a Florida loophole. If you are a criminal and fined $$$$, they can't take your house. I met a guy in trouble with the law who hurried to Florida, built a $3 million house, and kept it while he went to jail for securities fraud. He came out, the house was waiting for him. There have been quite a few Scientology high-level types buying nice houses around Clearwater. Maybe after their time in the clink, we'll see them mowing their own lawns in the hot August sun.

Is California so kind and gentle with its felons' houses?

Don Carlo: $cienos are paranoid because Ron was paranoid. It is relatively easy to teach another person to be paranoid, and a vicious and hateful thing to do. You can learn to overcome paranoia. The trick is, you have to learn constantly. You can not unlearn it. It can be defeated but not reversed. $cientology replaces the personality of its believers with Rons personality. If you read a textbook on the subject of abnormal psychology, then a biography of Rons life, you'll see that Ron had dang near every syndrome, disorder and condition in the book.

Rich A.:

I agree with you regarding the committed scientologist. Arguing with them is useless, perhaps worse than useless. From my experience, not only do they not listen to you, but they become very angry with you. And, as was with my case, if the two of you happen to be coworkers, then the entire work environment can be poisoned.
But what I think should give us all consolation, is that at some point in their scientology careers, something happens that causes the scientologist to begin doubting. From my limited communication with those who have been on the higher levels- OTIII and beyond- I can't tell if it is the contradictions in Hubbardian reality and true reality that leads to OT withdrawals from the sect, or more mundane, day-to-day experiences with scientology, such as feeling that Hubbard's tech is not being faithfully followed.

For example, on a different thread, I asked an OT VII who goes by the name of Charles if he ever wondered why he wasn't starting to disappear ala Casper the ghost as he underwent more and more auditing. According to Stacy Young, the president of Lisatrust.com, Hubbard taught that everything in the physical universe was composed of BTs, including the human body. Therefore, one would think that the more auditing one has, the less "there" he would be. And for those who have had all of their BTs removed, they should theoretically not even be in the MEST universe at all, but just be a thought, theta, or whatever. Charles seemed to shy away from this question, not answering it directly. He simply explained that he was able to remove "charge" and apparently this counted as part of physical universe. On the other hand, several OT VIIs recently "blew" scientology because they perceived that security checks were not following Hubbard's directives.

And that leads up to the problem I have when confronting the committed scientologist. Personally, even though they aren't going to listen and will throw a fit when you start speaking to them about the real scientology; the Marcabian confederacy, Xenu, and all the other nonsense, I wonder if by saying these things to them, you aren't at least planting a seed of doubt in their subconscience. And then, maybe a month from then, a year or even twenty years from then, when the stress of scientological life gets to them, that seed of doubt from their subconscience will start worming its way to the front and they'll go over the top and back to the real world. I don't know..., what do others think; is it a good idea to confront the committed scientologist or not?

And as for the uncommitted scientologist, the one who hasn't been brainwashed or whatever it is that the scientologists do so well to their new initiates, I feel that it's paramount to get the truth about scientology in front of them. Just simply tell them what it is all about. Once they have a true understanding of scientology, before their brains have been snapped off, they are going to avoid scientology at all costs. I know that from personal experience.

Curious

About those Marcabians: Doll bodies filled with kapok? How do they move? Do they eat upholstery? This takes suspension of disbelief to unprecedented levels. I have read that many $cientologists have psychotic breaks at the OT III level. I believe that this is the moment when they abdicate the Free World and move into $cieno World

Has anyone explained what happens to the liberated clusters? Do they go looking for Rich A. and his Cucaracha Crew at Implant station three?

Mike De Wolf: The leaflet thing was G.I. humor. You have to have a sense of humor to survive in the military. Lt. Rich A. has to put up with G.I. cockroach humor at the Implant Station. That must make it hardship duty.

Doll bodies apparently eat bicycles and lightbulbs.

Dear Curious,

Confronting a Scientologist is a good idea if you are not married or related to him. If this person is part of your family, however, you have to weigh the certainty of him disconnecting from you, against the chance that by appearing neutral you can keep contact with him and possibly influence him. That's even more important if he has control over younger relatives that are in Scientology.

If you want to argue with a Scientologist, work your way through the other 9,000 Scientologists who showed up to celebrate L.Ron's birthday last spring (assuming it doesn't include cut-and-paste heads in the audience). You don't CARE if any of THEM announce that they are disconnecting from you. And think of the favor you are doing for their non-Scientology relatives.

At the same time, we can hope that an unrelated non-Scientologist gets a chance to argue with YOUR family member, and make the circle complete.

I applaud all your efforts to expose this religious cult. I wonder how history would have been changed had people had your guts and the necessary tenacity to expose Islam, and its sham of a leader, during the early years. I appologize if I offend anyone with this remark, but be honest - what kind of a religion condones blowing yourself up and killing others in the process? Is it only a matter of time before Scientologists begin killing themselves or non-believers and convincing themselves that the right or spiritual necessity to do so is somehow contained in some obscure passage in the "Good Book"? Our freedom of religion was not intended to allow for the harming of others or the corrupting of others' minds. Freedom of speech, freedom of thought - what a concept!

This site is about Scientology's abuses. Trying to bash Islam just opens up the site to accusations of religious bigotry. Plus, many Islamic leaders denounced terrorism as a Wahabist-cult twisting a few phrases in the Koran. The Wahabist ignored the Koran's many passages about respecting innocent civilians and respecting human life. There are plenty of message boards that discuss other religions; I suggest you visit them or start your own.