Tom thinks RPF is all A-OK because LRon invented it. They call it "redemption" for out-ethics Sea Org members. They happily go into it because they honestly believe it will help them become a better person. They (scientologists, Tom, etc.) know all about the work, the hours, the food, etc. but they see nothing wrong with that. I know it's hard to believe that humans could be so blinded to the truth. But if you look at all the unthinkable things that have happened in history (genocide, civil war, Spanish Inquisition, etc.) it's not that difficult to understand.

ElwRONg likely got his RPF ideas from Florida, among others. In the late 1800s, early 1900s, Florida leased their prisoners to private enterprises and road building outifts. That way, they didn't have to feed and clothe them, and made $5 per month off the deal besides. They arrested men for infractions like vagrancy just so they could get the roads built.

Born in 1911, LRH would have heard about this, and being the sociopath he was, been interested in it.

Judging by the fact that TC sent Katie to scientology boot camp in 2008 makes me think he's aware enough of what goes on and approves.

http://www.showbizspy.com/article/61391 ... -camp.html

If he approves of this for the woman he professed his "love" for by jumping on Oprah's couch, the one who gave birth to Suri, imagine how he feels about anyone else who doesn't tow the line. He brought DM along on his honeymoon--TWISTED!!! He worships DM so to TC, anything DM does is OK because it's for the greater good.

Well I think the use of 'boot camp' here is inappropriate.It's highly unlikely that Katie would have gone through anything remotely like the RPF,and I think she'd be kept away from all of that.She did supposedly do some very intensive courses.
I have no doubt that Tom is aware of the RPF and approves of it.Whether he knows exactly what kind of punishments the dictator Miscavige has dished out or what a brutal dictator he is is more questionable.

Well I think the use of 'boot camp' here is inappropriate.

Many articles were written about this and quite a few referred to it as a boot camp. If she really was subjected to--among other things--intense auditing lasting up to 36 hours with little sleep and little food, boot camp is not all that inappropriate IMHO

I know people see Katie as some kind of hero right now and I think she handled her divorce masterfully. At the same time, I'm a little disgusted with her. Maybe it was an opportunity she couldn't refuse, but she went into this knowing how crazy Scientology is (I think her parents tried to warn her, but she wasn't having any of it.)

Maybe she did sign a five year contract or something and thought in the end being Mrs. Tom Cruise would help her career, (even though she was doing well before, and since they've been married, she's had one bomb after another.) What pisses me off is that now there is this little girl named Suri, and even if she has primary custody, and has kept Suri out of the Sea Org, the battle isn't over. There is no way someone like Tom Cruise (and D.M.) or going to allow for Tom Cruise's only "biological" child to not be involved in the church in one way or another. If Katie wanted a baby, she could have waited until after she divorced Tom or not married him at all. But now I think Suri is going to be pulled in two directions for most of her childhood, with covert shit happening around her, all so that Katie could give birth to "Rosemary's Baby"....and for what?

I don't believe he's blind to the truth at all. You're giving Tom Cruise way too much credit for being naive & ignorant. Tom has had to work very hard, for many years, to establish himself as an A-list movie actor. Actors who gain a certain amount of power & prestige in Hollywood will fight like the devil to retain it and stay on top of the pack. I believe TC has deliberately turned a blind eye to the abuses and knows he has power over David Miscavige.

What would happen if Tom Cruise were to call a press conference, claim he was quitting Scientology, and was going to throw DM under the bus? The cult would have a major clusterfuck on their hands and be hard pressed to overcome it. I believe TC realizes the power he has over DM, and DM has to do everything he can to make his No. # 2 Scientologist very happy. And TC is willing to pretend the bad shit's not happening in order to retain his status in the cult.

Wow, scary. I've often thought of indentured servitude with the "freeloaders bill".

Smurf,

I agree with you. TC has spent time at the base with DM, I'm sure he's witnessed alot. I always thought about DM having power over TC, but I never gave much thought about the flipside--until now. So many ex-scientologists have commented on their "unusual friendship" and I'm beginning to think that who's got more power over who is definitely a big part of it. They are both cocky and arrogant, so it's quite a match. Also, the stories I read about how some sea orgers were assigned to TC as his personal "slaves" in his home, to detail his motorcycles, his bus, his hangar etc, all the while still earning only $50 a week, rich as he is, never offering them proper wages since none of that is "church" work, makes him an a$$ and an accomplice in my book. He never even thanked any of them, only DM. Taking advantage of people that way, to me is abuse. So, IMO, TC knows and even takes part in some of the abuse.

Actually, I got an answer to my question when I watched Gary Morehead's Scientology interview with the Tampa Bay Times on their website. He describes in detail what happened on the INT base when Tom Cruise or any other celebrity was there. Basically, senior staff that were being punished and humiliated, asked to hose themselves down outside to wash and living in tents, were suddenly allowed to go indoors - in other words, everything was cleaned up so that nothing would be unseemly or would upset Tom Cruise's eyes. People who knew they were going to be in big trouble when he left, were relieved while he was there, because no one was sent to the RPF or disciplined in front of Tom. He probably doesn't involve himself with how much people are paid, if anything, for the work they do for him. As far as he knows, they get everything that he gets or a slightly downgraded version, as far as food and shelter, part of the narcissism of living in his world. I still don't think this is any excuse. If anyone privately appealed to Tom and asked for help, even if he earnestly talked to DM about it, that person would be UNDER the RPF or worse after Tom was gone.

Now when Tom was with his old publicist, Pat Kingsley (whom he fired, replaced with his Scientology sister, and then fired HER), I imagine she would come to him with stories about Scientology that might hurt his career. But as every single person around him is now is in Scientology, I think he is even more protected from what is going on. But I truly believe a day will come where Anonymous and other groups will start to pick his movies - I know I can't give him another dime. I've have always felt bad for the adults who are in the Hole and RPF, but the stories of former Sea Org members who were kids when they entered, doing heavy labor and rock hauling as Jenna Miscavige describes, getting up at 6:30 am and working 12 hour days, (the story that Marc Headley tells in his book of a 8 year old girl in the sea org who is too small to wash the dishes standing by the sink, so she has to wash the dishes, in boots, from INSIDE the sink) there is no excuse for this man to be the front spokesman (which he is, he's not just a private parishioner) of this "church."

The fact that Tom hired a non-Scientologist to replace his sister, tells me that when the chips are down, his career comes first. Which means that he manages every aspect of his image. In other words, I believe he knows exactly what's going on.

One of the common traits given to Tom Cruise over many years, he is a major control freak which reflects alot of insecurity. When you're that insecure, you tend not to fully trust even your closest of friends & family.

I believe TC is very aware of what's happening around him, and takes personal notice of his PR status, and the way he's perceived in the public eye. It was reported that TC wanted Pat Kingsley back as his publicist, but she declined, because it was clear to her that Tom Cruise could not separate his public life from his private life in Scientology.

Wow,that's fascinating. I appreciate your posts, Smurf, you have great information. It may not matter to anyone here, but Tom is also Scorpio rising, which accounts for his magnetism as a star, but also ruthless and controlling behavior - no one crosses him, at least in his mind, and he is capable of exacting an ugly revenge - one the reasons he is so litigious. After he jumped the couch on Oprah, Oprah got on a talk show herself and said she felt Tom was "too enthusiastic", or something like that, casting doubt on the relationship. Soon after that, her invitation the the wedding "disappeared". The most powerful female entertainer in the world. She claimed they didn't have space to invite "everyone" and sent a gift basket, but Jim Carrey was there (?!?).

My point is, I feel that Katie was amazing in her escape from Tom, and hopeful her divorce agreement will protect her, but I don't trust that this is over as far as Suri is concerned.

I think that TC knows everything that is happening behind the closed CoS doors, but he does not give a damn about little people who slave in RPF and RPF’s RPF. People who are at the top do not care about the cattle kept at the bottom. It is not about Hubbard’s writings extolling RPF, but it is about seeing self far superior to the ones who are swarming at the very bottom.

I understand Tom better than most because I was in a similar position.

No, I was not a top CoS executive -- I was at the bottom of the Sea Org command chain. But I had a tremendous ego, and was not planning to stay in Sea Org for long, I just wanted to get to the Class V level, leave Sea Org and do my own research in Dianetics.

I knew that I will become an SP once I commence the forbidden research, but that did not bother me a bit. I though that I was a genius in making, while long-time Sea Org members were the idiots not worthy my attention. The RPFers were even more stupid than regular Sea Org staff because they agreed to go to RPF. I did not know that some Sea Org members were forced onto RPF, but even if I knew that, my opinion about them would have remained the same.

I was the most horrific kind of Scientologist -- the one who does not care about human suffering because he sees himself far above the Scientology victims. I am not proud of what I was.

TC is my past. I changed my attitude towards the Scientology victims over the course of years, this was a slow process of realization of my erroneous views. Tom is much more stupid than I was, I do not think that he will ever turn against the cult.

I appreciate what you've written here, Demented LRH...I actually had no idea until I read Marc Headley's book (almost finished) how intense the security is at INT, what it really means to blow and how they come after you, the intensity of the emprisionment. I often felt contempt too when I heard the stories - I'd think, why don't they just say "See You" and walk off the base? Who would be stupid enough to sign up for hell? Anyway, I am grateful for this forum and for the Headley book because I really understand now the true horror of disconnection. I am very close with my sister, we talk almost every day, and I might sign up for a million RPF's if I thought I'd never get to speak or see her again. And to be sent there without a set punishment, but it just be there at someone's whim is truly horrifying. What's even stranger to me are the stories of Mike Rinder and others being in the Hole, brought out for special events, placed in a tux to give a speech and then as soon as it is over, being put right back in the Hole again to chip at rocks, or whatever. Unbelievable. Headley writes that at one event, a top executive, who always gave out awards, had to be replaced. He was in the hole, starving, overworked and tired, and when they went to get him like looked like a cancer victim. There was no amount of make-up that was going to cover that, and they ended up using someone else.

I think you captured the mentality of Tom - he even said in the leaked video (I'm not afraid to put "out ethics" to someone, because I do it to myself all the time.) I can see him dismissing the punishment and basically minding his own business.

TC also said in the leaked video "When you drive by the scene of an accident, as a scientologist, you know you're the only one who can help". Yet I'd be very curious to know how many times Mr. Cruise actually took the time to stop and help. I'm sure in 50 yrs he's driven by plenty of them without once ever offering assistance. I think it's more a question of not caring because he's to self involved rather than him minding his own business. His crazy antics and rants have done more harm to $cientology Inc. than good--and for that, I thank him.