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 Post subject: John F. Kennedy, Jr.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2001 9:50 pm 
I am curious as to why JFK, Jr.'s obsession with
Scientology was never publicized?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2001 11:17 pm 
Would you please expand on this?

For instance:

In what way was J.F.K jnr obsessed with Scientology?

How do you know about this?

What is your source?


I eagerly await your response.


P.A


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2001 12:33 am 
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Some Scientology stories in George Magazine:
QUOTE #1: Clash of Titans
The German Government says the Church of Scientology is a tyrannical cult that recalls the country's dark history. The Scientologists say it's the Germans who haven't changed. In an increasingly bitter battle, two powers collide over the meaning of freedom and the burden of the past
...In fact, German officials respond to the group's highly publicized charges with a reciprocal blast—that it is Scientology that bears similarities to extreme political movements in Germany's past, such as Nazism and communism. Therefore, they argue, the organization constitutes a legitimate security risk. “Scientology is a new kind of extremism,” says Dr. Jurgen Keltsch, a former Bavarian prosecutor who has devoted more than a decade to investigating the church. “If you look to the end, you have an Orwellian society.”...George Magazine, April 1997 By Russ Baker END QUOTE FROM:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/Scien26.html

QUOTE # 2: "George" magazine asserted that President Bill Clinton and John Travolta came to a sort of agreement in April, 1996, shortly before the filming of "Primary Colors" began. Clinton was said to have wanted to make an effort to have Scientology acknowledged as a church in Germany. In return, Travolta was to portray a friendlier picture of the fictitious president, who strongly resembled the real Bill Clinton. END QUOTE FROM http://cisar.org/g81211ae.htm

QUOTE # 3: Greta Van Susteren
CNN newsreader Greta Van Susteren is the subject of a story in this month's issue of George magazine, including her relationship to
Scientology. "Raised as a Catholic, Van Susteren apparently left the church after marrying Coale, who was already a Scientologist, and she converted to his faith. Both Van Susteren and Coale have reached senior levels in the
Church of Scientology, having passed a stage called 'The Bridge to Total Freedom' some time ago. But for Coale, Scientology is not just a church; it is a business. He has represented fellow adherent Lisa Marie Presley in her divorce from Michael Jackson. His firm, Coale, Cooley, McInerney & Broadus, has employed Loretta Miscavige, the mother of David Miscavige,
who is currently the head of the church.

"Scientology's 'spiritual headquarters' are located in Clearwater, Florida, where Van Susteren and Coale keep a vacation home. Friends of Van Susteren's are at a loss to explain what appeal the church holds for her. Several surmise that her relationship with Coale is the determining factor. In any case, her colleagues at CNN consider her religious affiliation to be immaterial. 'We've all looked for it,' says CNN veep Gail Evans. 'I'm a Jew. If people went at me about my religion the way they do Greta, there would be defamation groups all over the country.'

"In 1994, Van Susteren and Coale used WISE to arrive at a settlement for their ex-partner Phil Allen. Also a Scientologist, Allen said he had been introduced to the church by Van Susteren after he joined her law firm, and relied on the church for help in overcoming marital problems. GEORGE obtained documents relating to the Allen separation that show Van Susteren can slip easily into the strange jargon of WISE arbitration. Participants file 'knowledge reports,' counterfile 'false reports,' and disclose information about each other in 'Things That Shouldn't Be' reports. The detail in these documents is remarkable: In one of them, Van Susteren reports that a colleague at the firm, a man only tangentially related to the arbitration but a new adherent to Scientology, indulged in pornography and that she had found women's lingerie under his desk. True or not, neither claim appears to have much relevance to the dispute with Allen.

"According to Van Susteren and Coale's version of events, Allen had a problem with 'honesty and candor.' As a result, Allen was 'in liability'
to them, which made it necessary for him to be 'handled' by a Scientology counselor. For Scientologists, being in liability is a result of
committing 'overts', the church equivalent of a legal tort. The only way to get out of 'liability' is to write a 'liability formula', a written plan on how to make up for the offense to the church and the injured party. In a September 1994 letter to Allen, Van Susteren alleged that he had confessed to committing overts against her, Coale, and the law firm -
acts that created 'enormous enturbulation,' a phrase apparently unique to
Scientology." END QUOTE FROM
http://www.xenu.net/archive/WIR/wir4-32.html

QUOTE # 4: Sonny Bono had so much trouble trying to break away from the Church of Scientology, says a source, that he asked the FBI to intervene. The August issue of George magazine carried an article by Ann Louise Bardach about the late congressman’s efforts to break away from the controversial church, whose members include John Travolta and Lisa Marie Presley. Its critics claim that Scientology officials intimidate its detractors as well as members who want to leave the church — a charge church officials deny. END QUOTE FROM:
http://www.skepticnews.com/archives/1999/week33.shtml

and finally QUOTE #5:
I learned today that after George Magazine did its' article on Germany and Scientology,David Miscavige flew east and met with John Kennedy,Jr.

After the self-appointed cult leader left the meeting Kennedy thought and said:"what a nasty piece of work he is."

Look for a fuller report in an up-coming major-media story.

Regards
Graham Berry

Title: Berry to DM
Author: grahameb@aol.com (GrahamEB)
Date: 11 Jan 1998 02:21:10 GMT
END QUOTE FROM http://www.lermanet.com/cos/grahamX.html

My comment: The closing of George Magazine was only a small part of the tragedy of losing John F. Kennedy, Jr.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2001 6:26 am 
At the time of JFK. Jr.'s death there was a rumor that SCN. may have had something to do with his demise. The F.B.I. even had several reports on this idea. It was said it was due to printing the article on Mary Bono and the cult[ which appeared a day or so prior to his accient. F rom what I understand the comparison was made to what Scn. had done to the attorney who represented a group of ex-scn.s who successfully sued scn. in the 80's. He was from Boston.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2001 12:50 pm 
You are referring to Michael Flynn and "Operation Juggernaut"

" Flynn further claims that water was placed in the fuel tanks of his private airplane in an attempt to murder him. There were four occupants in that plane at the time, including his son."

From Messiah or Madman by Bent Corydon.

Are you suggesting D.M had him murdered as he was considered a long-term threat to Scientology?

I agree this could be possible but do you think they (Scientology) would have acted alone without help and backing from others? Are they that ruthless and dangerous?

How about Sonny Bono?

Could he have been murdered? Or was it just a ski-ing accident?

You have to take coroners reports with a pinch of salt when it comes to mysterious Scientology deaths. Remember Lisa McPherson, Flo Barnet(s.p?),Quentin Hubbard and even old L.Ron himself died in strange circumstances.

Bono wanted out and, if I recall correctly, threatened to go to the F.B.I. They are plenty of ways to kill someone and make it look like an accident. Were their any witness's? Did he really die at the time and location they said he did?

Didn't the former head of the L.A F.B.I bureau state in Time magazine that Scientology's intelligence resources matched theirs in the U.S.A?

Intelligence agencies sometimes kill people.

How many people have G.O/O.S.A killed?

I apologize for the rant but there are so many questions left unanswered. I can't really help speculating the worst possible scenario's when dealing with the "Church" of Scientology. In light of its criminal history and its agenda of power and corruption I have come to expect nothing less.

P.A


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2001 5:55 pm 
Paranoid:

>Bono wanted out and, if I recall correctly, >threatened to go to the F.B.I. They are plenty of >ways to kill someone and make it look like an >accident. Were their any witness's? Did he really >die at the time and location they said he did?

Let's see. The "official" story is that Bono skied into a tree while skiing off-trial at the Heavenly Valley Ski Area near Lake Tahoe.

Let's see, if he was killed somewhere else, he would have had to have been carried up the chair lifts, and down the public slopes with other skiers who were there that day, then off-trail to the place where he was dumped. Ski Weekend at Bernie's? Also, the tracks left in the fresh snow would have been very different if he would have been bludgeoned to death by others.

Also, why hasn't Bob Minton or Andreas suffered an unfortunate "accident?"

Sorry, with absolutely no evidence to the contrary, it looks like poor Sonny just lost control and skied into a tree.

Mike


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2001 8:43 pm 
Dear Paranoid: I'm not the second "anonymous"
who responded previously, I am the first. I
asked about Jr. because he was attempting to
"audit" me, with the assistance of the FBI, of
course. I guess I'm UN-"auditable", if there is
such a word. I believe he was training to be an
"auditor" at the time of his death.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2001 11:55 pm 
Don: Scientologists are a STRANGE lot indeed. You
said Greta left the Catholic Church and joined her
husband's "faith". Why would worshiping space
aliens be considered a religion??? You read about
what Scientology calls "auditing" and/or
"processing" and wouldn't some of them be better
off with a Dale Carnegie course or something???
I'm serious. In GEORGE Magazine, John Kennedy
asked in one of his Letters from the Editor, "Who
are we and why are we here?". John Kennedy
doesn't (or didn't, past tense) know who he was
why he was here? Don't you find that hard to
believe?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2001 7:48 am 
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to first anon-what are you talking about? whether scn. killed jfk.jr. is one thing, but where is your proof that he tried to audit you and he was in scn. if he was, the mag. would not have printed that article re mary bono and how scn. was always on top of her and sonny. scns. don't talk or write bad things about their cult.i also have spoken to one of the writers quoted above and he was definitely not pro-scn.


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2001 10:08 pm 
Pam: I don't think the final decisions were up to
the Editor of GEORGE Magazine as he had sold
controlling interest to HFNM.


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2001 9:14 pm 
Did you see the bono body? How about JFK JR.?
I never did. In fact...everything moved very quickly...

Lets do this... I want to see post of all the people that are not with us anymore. Lets put all of these deaths in a line. Then we can all look at it and have a good idea what the hell is going on. I do wonder how many of you are in the Church of Scientology and if you are I want you to read the long list that we can put together of people that have died. What do ya think?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2001 12:17 pm 
It still amazes me that Scientology can get away with killing Sonny Bono AND J.F.K J.N.R without a squeak from the supposedly free U.S press.

Surely somebody somewhere can piece together the links.After all an obvious assassinatation is to make a point of power. The killings of these two was to quietly despose of them as they posed a threat to this fascist organization.

It's "accidents" like these that $cientology sees as their stepping stones to complete domination.

Who really controls America?, I doubt it is still the American people.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2001 10:09 pm 
I personally think the U.S goverment too scared to do anything about $cientology now. Due to weaknesses and corruption in the system they can literally get away with murder.

U.S CRITICS (and everybody else) BEWARE!


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2001 10:19 pm 
To Chloe: I don't see any hard evidence of co$ having anything to do with the Bono or Kennedy deaths. Get a grip. $cientology is guilty of plenty, that has witnesses and documents to back it up...our efforts need to be focused there. If you have some evidence, let's see it. Otherwise, you simply appear to be acting like an "OSA operative" trying to discredit a critic.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2001 3:37 pm 
Fifth Element:

Do you think anyone with "hard evidence" would still be breathing.

Mathematically speaking the chances of Scientology involvment in these deaths is:

Bono 10,0000 to 1 non-involvment

J.F.K jnr 5,0000 to 1 non-involvment

If thats not "evidence" I don't know what is.

Bye for now!


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