Here you go Virginia.

I will cross reference this thread later when I have more time.

I am so sorry about what happened to your house!

Lucretia

Some people prize what they consider to be salvation over familial relationships, telling themselves that the former is eternity, the latter is temporal.

That's nice logic on the face of it, but, truly, a church that teaches harmony, working things out, being self determined and then turns around and tells people who they can talk to or be with is clearly not selling or giving salvation.

My husband made it quite clear that he wouldn't dump me if I got expelled and he didn't (for posting to a.r.s) so they expelled him along with me.

Thank you Ball of fire - you help my understanding. How to deal w it is another question.

I am a reincarnative so believe this is a lesson/testing ground towards our spiritual future. How we respond here - especially to others like family - is our salvation. reverse thinking.

Your husband made a good decision & should be admired for it, unlike mine, who has always taken from me to benefit himself. Guess that is why he fits into CO$ so well. I feel he is doomed by his actions.

I honour & respect him as my teacher [in this carnation] of what I must not accept. Wish I could have helped in this carnation - but his choice, so I can not help him. Now I must save myself & hope court will help me.

please pray for me & ask God to send co$ their destructive attitudes back to them with love.

You got it, sweetie. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

Virginia,

One thing you mention above struck a chord with me...
"...unlike mine, who has always taken from me to benefit himself. Guess that is why he fits into CO$ so well." (referring to your ex-husband)

My sister, an active Scn exec, pushed very hard to get people she didn't like declared, and it took her over a year to get me. But like your ex she has spent her life taking from me to benefit herself, which is why she fits in CO$ so well.

I think this may be a common demoniator of the character of someone that will spite or hate their own mates or family. She tried getting her ex-husband declared as well as our brother.

Her actions are repulsive and yet revered in CO$. To be an exec in CO$ feeds her ego, and her actions guarantee stability in this post regardless of how badly her performance for upstats.

~declared02

Declaired - thanks for your input - lots to think on.

I feel emotions [love, spike, hate] on one side - the opposite side in non-emotions or no feelings towards. There is a fine line between these emotions & folk can go from 1 to the other easily, or back; maybe change of life breakdown & not liking their achievements or themselves - or lost in other ways, may bring them to CO$ & wanting to get those they have emotions in [love, hate, spite] in w them

I'm thinking - maybe those who take & take want us in, to take from, or gone as it hurts them to much to think of us. One thing is for sure - mixed up emotions & CO$ does not help but uses it to benefit themselves & encourage this rotten way.
When you say " CO$ feeds her ego," Larry gave to those who fed his ego but once they saw through him, he hated them & when I saw through him, he "Hated" me & caused hell for me.

On our wedding anniversary a few years ago he phoned me saying "I want to talk to you about my church of Scientology & if you change the topic I will put the phone down [manipulation & obviously practised & maybe they were listening] I let him talk himself out - he ended with "I want you to come & live w me here or I will have to hate you & do every thing I can to hurt you" then put the phone down.

Guess his attitude & CO$ attitude work off each other & their mixed up emotions drive them & we hurt or cut off them.
I told my lawyer the only 2 controls Larry still has on me is my money he took & my home & I want both back & his control gone - then he will be out my life & I will go on w my life, better off for him out, & that will be the biggest lesson to him. But it is hard & hurting so please pray for me as God does have effects - I feel

AM I CONFUSSED OR WHAT IS HE TRYING - JUST RECEIVED THIS FROM LARRY

The 92-year-old, petite, well-poised and proud lady, who is fully dressed each morning by eight o'clock, with her hair fashionably coifed and makeup perfectly applied, even though she is legally blind, moved to a nursing home today.
Her husband of 70 years recently passed away, making the move necessary. After many hours of waiting patiently in the lobby of the nursing home, she smiled sweetly when told her room was ready.

As she manoeuvred her walker to the elevator, I provided a visual description of her tiny room, including the eyelet sheets that had been hung on her window.

"I love it," she stated with the enthusiasm of an eight-year-old having just been presented with a new puppy. "Mrs. Jones, you haven't seen the room .... just wait."
"That doesn't have anything to do with it," she replied. "Happiness is something you decide on ahead of time. Whether I like my room or not doesn't depend on how the furniture is arranged... it's how I arrange my mind. I already decided to love it .. "It's a decision I make every morning when I wake up. I have a choice; I can spend the day in bed recounting the difficulty
I have with the parts of my body that no longer work, or get out of bed and be thankful for the ones that do. Each day is a gift, and as long as my eyes open I'll focus on the new day and all the happy memories I've stored away ..... just for this time in my life.
Old age is like a bank account ..... you withdraw from what you've put in .. So, my advice to you would be to deposit a lot of happiness in the bank account of memories . Thank you for your part in filling my Memory bank. I am still depositing.
Remember the five simple rules to be happy:
> > > > 1. Free your heart from hatred.
> > > > 2. Free your mind from worries.
> > > > 3. Live simply.
> > > > 4. Give more.
> > > > 5. Expect less.

I would suggest waiting to see which way he goes Dindy.

You might try asking him if:
1) if he is free from hatred, why does he play games with you and the children?

2) If he is free from worries, why does he have to talk to you through the church instead of person to person? Mano A Mano.

3) if he can live simply, without a large organization to tell him how to live?

4) if he could give more to his family instead of the church?

5) If he could expect less from the church than he is having to give now?

Do not let him fluster you with his $cios rhetoric. Those are the things they tell the slaves that work for them for nothing.

Love it einstein & thanks. Hope you do not mind if I copy it [w out your name] & ask him those questions via e-mail. He left all the other persons names on he sent to - so maybe I should send it to him w "reply to all" & sign 'your deserted abused pennyless wife as she would not join your CO$ cult.

I was thinking - insecure people who do not think much of themselves so need to blame others, are controlers & open to join COS & feel they are great for giving up their victims/$ bags for their church. So they then feel important & controller. I can go crazy trying to fathem out his thinking, if he does think

Dindy,

You are welcome to copy and paste. You may have to put in the formatting. I don't know if copy and paste here carries the formatting forward but you are certainly welcome to try.

I don't know if it is a good idea to try to "figure" someone out. Take what you see. The reasons for what you see could be infinite.

thanks Einstein - I e-mailed your question not only to Larry, but all those he e-mailed to - also [he did not hide their emails] & asked them to help me understand my CO$ husband, Larry & help him answer the questions.

I believe he pretends he is the nice unmarried man "If you don't want poeple to know - don't do it". I ended, "your used [got you your career & gave mine up] abused, stolen from then deserted pennyless for your church cult - wife.

I also said these questions were from some one involved in the X-cos site where X-co$ members are - some were in CO$ from 10 to 30 years, then I sent them some sites to investigate like Xenu on clambake & clamebake home page.

Wonder how this will play out!?

I emailed him seperately saying "if you want me to go - give me my home & all the $ you owe me, so my freedom to be ME, free from your controls.

Guess it is blackmail but if that is what I have to do - so be it

Maybe this will give him something to think on - thanks again. PS - Please Hubbard wasn't born in South Africa, as one said - please & thanks

Also, Dindy, its good to remember at all times that your husband is being led around by a 2000lb Gorilla($cios) and the gorilla has a chain around his neck. Whatever you say to him, he will most likely answer only what the 2000lb Gorilla($cios) wants him to answer.

Thanks for that info. I know they say - send love & keep in touch & do not criticise CO$, but he knows that although co$ May have some good points, I can not find much to admire in CO$, especially how it is hurting his family, but have tried not to put it down but make those around him know about COS so maybe they will talk to him. I do not think he has friends, but business co workers as he can be the nice guy [till you truly get to know him] & I do not think they know I exist "If you do not want people to know, don't do it - so I am letting them know I do exist, also COS does & he is one.

One way I am not worried about him as he made his choice & it hurt us - so just want the controls he has over me [the money he owes me & my home] severed by court so helping me survive & in so doing he will have no $ for CO$ so also help him out; yet in another way I feel sorry for him & would like to help him just as long as it does not hurt me.

I guess that 2000 LB hurts us as much as him, but he made the choice - not us. I realize he is affected by them, but enough is enough - he has to break that 2000LB & I think one day he may, not completely get out, but loosen it - but too little to late. I want what he owes me & my freedom & go on w my life. If/when he gets freer I will be there for as little/much as fits my lifestyle at that time - he has hurt me tooo much. Yes he is a COS puppet & not nice, but was not nice for many years so I blame the COS but also him It is good to know what you said as it helps when he is so nasty

He told me on our wedding anniversary he wanted to talk about his church & if I changed the topic he would put the phone down [I think they practised him what to say & were listening in] I let him waffle on, he ended w "if you do not come & live w me in the church, I WILL HAVE TO HATE YOU & DO EVERY THING I CAN TO HURT YOU - & has been. So this thread - I think he loves me as much as he can [not much as he does not know love] & trying to be horrid in hopes he will get me back [twisted mind] but back firing, I don't want the him that is, but could have been & certainly not COS - he is breaking this family apart but I feel he is on the losing end in the end. It helps to know he is controlled & not I am bad, but it hurts. Better things have to come for me - the hurting is here but will go, but will his?? He has been so rotten to me - but I am still here, but can not take much more. I know he is hurting & will never get me out his mind - told he paces a lot & likes to keep busy so not think. Thanks for being a friend