Was L. Ron Hubbard Sexually Molested as a Child?

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Post by J. Swift » Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:05 pm

HM, I am cross-posting the LRH sexual abuse quote you made on another thread so that it is included here. I do this to include anecdotal evidence on this thread. One of Hubbard's basic fears that he instilled in all Scientologists was PDH = Pain, Drugs, Hypnosis. PDH could be used to implant according to Hubbard, who also described commands that were given by implanters whereby a person would be made to forget. "Must not tell," may have been the first hypnotic command LRH received from Commander Thompson.

This quote also shows Hubbard practicing medicine without a license in 1950 as well as his heavy borrowing from Freudian psychotherapy. Note that Hubbard calls Dianeticists "patients" and speaks of hypnotherapy and deep analysis in the quote. This quote clearly shows that Hubbard did not originally create Dianetics as a religion but as a therapy. Once the APA rejected his offers of Dianetics and he went broke in Kansas, Hubbard decided to try the "religion angle." Organized Religion in America has more than a few perverts as leaders, so Hubbard fit right into the subcategory of Religion-As-Scam in the US. True to his Black Magick roots, Hubbard re-conjured Dianetics as Scientology and thus began a run that lasted until 2005 when the Working began to collapse.

Hubbard's Mushroom wrote: +++++++++Sacred Cult Scripture+++++++++++++++

If you have a patient who is getting blank-outs during a certain
period, a patient who is sure somehow that he has had
homosexual relationships with somebody but can’t tell you
when or where, you start looking into hypnotism.

You may not find it, because one of the chief weapons of the
pervert is hypnotism. He uses hypnotism quite freely. I have
found many incidents of hypnotism used for perversion.

Even worse than that, you very often find that by contagion
of aberration the person will go out and dramatize the engram
without knowing it ever happened to him. He merely thinks,
“Well, that’s something to do,” so he is liable to hypnotize
somebody else.

The standard pervert session of hypnotism seems to wind
up, “Now, if you told anybody that this had happened, they
would never believe you!” Or if it is done to a young boy,
“Your mother and father would of course drive you from your
home if they knew about this. If you told them anything that
had happened here, they would not believe you. In fact you
can’t believe it yourself. You don’t think anything has
happened here at all.”

That perversion sequence may contain such a thing as “You
are a woman,” or if a woman is using it, “You are a man,”
and so on. It will be a hard engram to tackle in that it will be
completely out of view.

You may find this once in a hundred cases, although the
percentage to date has been about one out of 95 cases,
which is about one percent. This is only a series of about 180
so it is not a good statistic, merely a guess.

None of these remarks are leveled at hypnotists at all; they
are leveled exclusively at a practice which you will find in
the society.

Hypnotism may still have enormous therapeutic or
anesthetic value. In addition to that it is an excellent
research tool in Dianetics. But it is not something with which
you would toy idly. It has real horsepower in it.

You will discover hypnotic therapy or deep analysis in quite
a few patients who have undergone psychoanalysis. Deep
analysis is a practice of discovering hidden data and delivering
unto the patient insight regarding that data.

— L. Ron Hubbard
Lecture 26 June 1950: Hypnosis

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Re: Was L. Ron Hubbard Sexually Molested as a Child?

Post by newclear » Wed Nov 03, 2010 6:38 am

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Post by Sponge » Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:05 am

If you are going to bump an old thread then try to think of something useful to add to it rather than just bumping for bumping sake. If you think it needs fresh attention then show it by contributing something on topic.

If everyone bumped favorite old threads which they thought other people should look at then the current stuff would scroll down and off the first page of the forum.
If you have nothing to add to an old thread then perhaps there's another related and current topic where you can link to the old thread for reference.

Just an idea.

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Post by J. Swift » Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:18 am

Sponge, I think this bump is timely and important to revisit in terms of Caroline's thread on Commander Snake Thompson. Was Snake Thompson a pedophile who molested the young Hubbard? Read the evidence and decide for yourself!

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Post by Sponge » Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:57 am

J. Swift wrote:Sponge, I think this bump is timely and important to revisit in terms of Caroline's thread on Commander Snake Thompson. Was Snake Thompson a pedophile who molested the young Hubbard? Read the evidence and decide for yourself!

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Well, that's kind of my point, isn't it? That's where the current discussion is. In that discussion, you would link to this one for reference rather than just bumping this one, especially if you want to keep people contributing to the current one (unless of course there is something that is more relavent here than there which they feel they need to add).

You also need to consider the reader who after searching the forum comes to a thread weeks, months, years from now looking for all and any information on the subject.
Here's something useful to add to this thread, the link to the more current thread you just mentioned, although not important now whilst it is near the top of the first page anyway, it will be important at some future time for people searching through the archives: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=26920&start=60

Excuse me for being pedantic. Generally speaking, I just can't stand good current discussions being potentially diluted across multiple threads on very similar subjects going on at the same time because it is a pain in the ass trying to piece together a flowing timeline of stuff when researching at a later date.

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Post by J. Swift » Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:51 pm

Sponges, as always your points are well taken.

Back on the topic: I follow the ever-changing biography of LRH on Scientology's websites. The online biography gets changed 1-2x per year as CoS methodically strips it of LRH false data, to use a Scientology term.

Hubbard's decades-long claim that he mastered the principles of Freudian Psychotherapy as a twelve year old boy under the tutelage of Commander Thompson was obviously absurd. CoS has scaled back this claim. Nevertheless, the inescapable fact remains: LRH was heavily influenced by two psychiatrists in his life: Sigmund Freud and Commander Thompson.

Whether CoS will admit it or not, LRH and Scientology have Psychiatric DNA.

Below is version 512 of LRH's bio as presented by CoS in November 2010. I think this very thread on OCMB forced CoS to mute its claims that twelve year old Ron was a boy expert on Freudian psychotherapy. I think that happened later when LRH studied Freud in the 1930's and 1940's. Hubbard was fairly adept in psychoanalysis. LRH perhaps even had himself psychoanalyzed, this although there is no direct evidence.

IMO, Dn and Scn were LRH's attempt to carve out a distinctly new form of Psychotherapy that used an E-Meter to bring precision to analysis. Furthermore, LRH expanded his form of Psychotherapy to embrace the spiritual reality he experienced. This is congruent with the outlook held by Carl Jung and other psychiatrists who were not atheists and recognized the spiritual and archetypal nature of Humanity.

Because Hubbard never financed a peer reviewed study of Dianetics, and he had the money to do so, Dn and Scn were forced into a non-academic, cultic status where the subjects remain parked today and in thrall to David Miscavige. Hubbard's ultimate failure, the irony of it all, is that he allowed, consciously or unconsciously, his life's work to fall into the hands of a person who is actually in desperate need of psychiatric hospitalization and treatment.

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This image differs radically from the earlier version seen in my 2006 OP where Thompson's hand is under the table. This is out PR to say the least!

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Re: Was L. Ron Hubbard Sexually Molested as a Child?

Post by newclear » Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:08 am

OK, my bad. Next time I will link to this thread instead of bumping it. However, this is one of the most illuminating threads about LRH, in my opinion, Here we have the young Hubbard in a circumstance which was not created by him, which would profoundly influence the rest of his life. If you study psychology, or know many adults who became sexually active at a young age, you probably know the effect this has on emotional development.

If Snake Thompson were spying on Japan, I doubt he would risk blowing his cover by getting intimately involved with the local women. He would have been well aware that sex is one of the premier espionage tools. To be safe, he would have limited his sexual activity to Americans, and males would have been far more available. However, we might ask, why does the spy or adventurer choose that lifestyle? Clearly Snake Thompson had some issues with relationships. Wouldn't it be reasonable to suspect that Thompson himself had been sexually molested as a child? Naturally if this were the case, he might have been attracted to young boys, including our famous red-haired one.

Here is a list off the top of my head, of aspects of Scientology which may have sprung from this:

1. You "pulled it in", or bad acts cause bad things to happen to people. Also known as the overt motivator sequence. This idea can be used for good or bad, but let us remember here that the child victim of molestation almost invariably blames himself.

2. In "Science of Survival", LRH lays out the characteristics of "covert hostility", or 1.1 on the tone scale, as having a propensity towards homosexuality and a dislike of children. He might have put Thompson here, except for the emotional attachment he felt on a deep level.

3. Hubbard's young sexual experiences and resulting compulsive masturbation (from the affirmations of L Ron Hubbard) would seemingly guide him towards Crowley's Sex Magick and the OTO. This occult background became the backdrop for the OT levels.

Looking deeper, maybe we should ask what all this means to the life of Hubbard, and of course his creation.

1. Was it an adversity for Hubbard to overcome?
2. Was it punishment for misdeeds in a past lifetime?
3. Was Hubbard simply an innocent victim, scarred for life?
4. Was it a difficult experience that pushed Hubbard to try to resolve the problems of the human mind?

Many students of psychology choose that field of study hoping to find help in resolving their own personal problems. Certainly Hubbard could have been counted among them. Having traveled the world, and having developed a huge ego to protect him from childhood trauma, he would develop his own psychology rather than formally study psychology in the classroom.
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Post by Roan » Sun Nov 07, 2010 1:16 am

J. Swift wrote:Was Snake Thompson a pedophile who molested the young Hubbard? Read the evidence and decide for yourself!
In the 19th and early twentieth century it was relatively common amongst European and American families of means to introduce their young (11-14) sons to educated, worldly, accomplished or otherwise noteworthy older males for mentorship. This was not a role for the boys father but one for an "uncle" or "friend of the family" type man of stature. Often these men were lifelong... bachelors! . :-"

J. Krishnamurti as a young boy was "discovered" on an Indian beach by a fellow by the name of Leadbetter of the Theosophists Society and proclaimed to be the messiah solely because Leadbetter found him to be incredibly beautiful! :shock:

Given how common these kinds of "relationships" were, the likelihood of some sexual shenanigans happening is probably not small.

IMO, this is one of the best, most important threads to ever appear on OCMB.

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Post by nessa76 » Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:40 pm

I came across this article, which is quite interesting

http://conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm ... 972&page=1

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Post by 'Alert' » Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:23 pm

nessa76 wrote:I came across this article, which is quite interesting

http://conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm ... 972&page=1

Wow, Never read that page before. Thankx!
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Post by Dorothy » Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:10 am

The article uses tons of quotes from LRon's written works to back up Swift's hypothesis. Very interesting.

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http://conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=98&contentid=3972&page=2 wrote:I am only objecting to that fact that he appears to never face up to his own feelings and possible history in a mature way. As a result, he created an organization that is dangerous because if it achieves the political power it was programmed by Hubbard to achieve, it would take away the civil rights of a large number of people only because of their personalities, put them into “permanent” quarantine, including the group of people that he clearly belonged to, namely, gays and bisexuals. Comparisons to Hitler are admittedly tiresome, but it is so apt in this situation, because Hitler was also a closet gay who advocated “quarantine” of “social undesirables”including other gays.

Hitler copied what “Hubbard” had done in Hubbard’s alleged past life as Cecil Rhodes: they both built concentration camp systems. Scientologists need to grow up. We can still have compassionate understanding for Hubbard and for the events in his life that may have caused him to manifest the attitudes that he did, but that is not the same as going along with his agenda.
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Post by Demented LRH » Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:27 am

I admire Swift, but this topic is too much for me -- there is no data proving that Hubbard was sexually abused, all we have are the conjectures.
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Post by 'Alert' » Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:08 am

Demented LRH wrote:there is no data proving that Hubbard was sexually abused, all we have are the conjectures.
That would be because as the thread titles dictates, Swift was asking a question. People can decide themselves from reading hubtubs erotic-gay-porn-stories and all the scientology dogma that makes a grand case he was homophobic.

Oh, and anyone that writes down how they were "taught to masturbate at a very young age" is pretty likely to have had something traumatic happen to/with them in a sexual manner.

Hubbard's admissions are quantified by being entered into court records in The Armstrong case(PING: Gerry or Caroline!) where scientology wanted them back after Gerry pulled back the veil on the 'church' and hubbard.
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Post by Scientology » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:19 pm

To cope with the sexual stuff in the scout years Lron might have
1 developed a skill to think of other things very far away from a sexuality he was talked into -selectively channeled attention in perceptions. Fantasizing heavily, fantasizing fancy. He was weak and he did know it, and he also realized that some "strong" was weak.
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2 Developed skills that very selectively even into other branches with help from Thomson. Money and Fraud in order to get pleasure now becomes more and more established. -This is just OUR Secret - lines in the shellfish core.
3 he might have been drawn to selectively to creative persons to revenge seeking, take what they are got & leaving. Just doing the things he very early might have learned. So totally fucking up the business. If it really was so then I must the selective communication lines and the personality as leaving the interested a lot of sandpaper in the personality probably never fully recoverable but always projecting stories about a pearl, that gives me not a clambake man but a shellfish stream. The middle name he stole scientology from was Pearl so he admitted his selfish as clambake by manipulating his sons writings.
Just as logic at this.

4 the love and big senses seems not to be in this body in this life but in another time and space.
5 He awakes in Apollo screams and trow things when the early earthly memories comes to near again now he has the money, but have started to believe his own cover story

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the parts of the fundamental Opposition that point in the spiral in the tunnel-sight. The driving force is of course the lack of balance, from biophysics in Hippocampus CA1, CA3 feeds and the Old factory of reading the wave in G - Gravity of timing in the shift of changes
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came together - like reading the wave in between - Amygdala and the light bending in E-motive
TLErs of his PMEST
The basic setting of figures in sets of setting
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as his own medicine & the broken in Golgata as the device selling himself what he was lacking, what else is more likely?
With that also a skill in changing the blind-spots in his primary fields of vision

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And while covering it up from side to side L Ron Hubbard wrote his own solution as he saw the light in the sandpapers.

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So, he sold the pearl in the milky way as pattern oyster & oyster pattern.
The story Clambake is a total con - Elron was streaming as a very shellfish man streaming selectively in the line - truly broken in halves - the suicide of his son was an attack on him - not and never seeing the cause but speaking like a pearl while just sandpapering the very art of shellfish in the shell codes of the operator broken. The paranoia about actions against L Ron Hubbard and so on in Audition might mirror the lack of holistic unity in a broken soul hiding in his tunnel sight and pleasure dome. Ass I told you. But any way the shell in the shell mark is a clam.

Hard to many to understand that this fanatic little subscriber of victim role. Who constantly suffers for God and everyone else's sake. He always use the projector and hide behind the light - as the broadcasting shadows and the light bending. That gives me just the e-motives in the color, probably filtered in an early idol. Mirrors in the early images of his ***StarMark***
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The masters of tunnel-sight in the telescope antenna forced new levels of Cargo culture, and at the end near him anyone in fair senses whi can read the assembler analytic might also see how the cargo of connector disappearing art, was projected into burned in fears of the outside words according to him.
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In part this is also how Anonymous made Scientology when L Ron Hubbard removed the proper credit. First it doesn't make sense. is so awkward as ANKH is the greatest crossroad in old Egypt. This is just about power, more or less just about power. Hubbard balanced in by his bridge giving him balance by consuming
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Selling the Starmark in disguise with the driving drivers of the oter side as something he pretended to have on the tip of his tongue. But that was more or less the excact measurment he could not do - taste in the smell and know what he did

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What TLE does your Prophet have as Assembler in the Starmark

(remade outside of the sexual framework to prevent demented founder from wanking off again)

Now leaving sexuality and thinking the emotions of fruitful future in inner metabolism
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By proxy like always
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But ok it is not always easy to read out straight what was left in the right and balancing up.
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Post by Demented Founder » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:24 pm

^^ Spoken by a true professional. Or, perhaps, this nonsense comes from your personal experience of feeling sharp pain in your torn in halves rectum.
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