Stimpson:

This country is really FUBAR, and it takes considerable training and auditing to be at cause over it rather, than a victim of it. I run a number of sites including a police brutality site.

I intensively studied Scientology thirty years ago. I went back into the church about five years ago and was expelled within a year for criticizing policy. Since that time I have aligned myself with independent auditors and for the first time have been happy with my religion.

I am an engineer. I have kept an open mind and read everything on the subject of Scientology. Scientology does me a hell of a lot of good.

One person I worked with did a thesis on the E-meter as part of his masters' degree. He concluded that the E-meter didn't do anything. He said reads were impossible to get. That's modern physics for you...

Stimpson, I am not trying to convince you to like Dianetics. I haven't got time. I am trying to get in contact with the people that like LRH. I would like you to be aware that there are people like myself that hate the Church, but like Scientology.

Sometimes I have thought that LRH wove stories into his religion the way modern authors write fiction around historical events. Over the years, however, I have started believe that the world is considerably less solid than I originally believed. In fact, the movie "The Matrix" could be closer to the truth than what most people believe to be the truth.

Anyway, I've rambled. You can contact some of us 'Xmen' at www.exscientologist.com

Simplex:

I believe in the religion, but not the group.

I believe there was a coup d'état in the church in the 1980's and the SP's won.

Andreas:

Glad to see you back in business!! Keep up the good work.


Curious

Whew...I will second that! Very good to see you back!

Peace,
Flutterby

Hi Andreas,

You do a fantastic job here and you're a very brave man in my eyes!

I'm an ex-Scientologist and I'm getting a little more brave every time I read something new here. I finally feel really angry, instead of scared, about the damage that the CO$ can do. I'm going to write to the bookstore where I bought Dianetics from originally and tell that what damage it has done and ask them to consider removing it, or a least publicize its affiliation with Scientology.

Tel

I have never seen such a mass of demented crap as a bunch of supposedly 'ex-Scientologists' trying to use an Anti-Scientology site to pull new victims into Scientology. While it is true that when Miscavige and comrades took over the Church they turned it into a neo-nazi political group which uses the church as a combination front and recruiting group for the inner core of the Sea Slugs (I mean Sea Org), that does not change the fact that the essential theme of Operation Clambake is that Scientology is a destructive mind-control cult racket which is designed to make big money for its controllers by exploiting victims. It is utterly preposterous to be talking about Scientology on this site as if it was actually healing in any manner. It's a nice attempt to use Super-Power techniques to project a false reality - where we are now supposed to agree that it is the Church that is evil, but not Scientology itself. This is just another manifestation of the racket. In other words, the inner core of racketeers does not really care about the Church of Scientology per se - as long as they can pull victims into their Network of cults they have achieved their goal. For example, we already know from observing this site that there is a spinoff from Scientology called Humanism; a destructive mind-control cult which specializes in exploiting ex-Scientologists. Well, you can't blame demons for trying - I mean, deceit and darkness is what demonism is all about.

As long as a person is convinced that their is a seed of usefulness in scientology they are still hooked. Like a drug addict or a gambling addict they are still hooked until they see the whole thing as brainwashing and money manipulation.

Attila - That's exactly what the spammers are up to - they want us to believe that there is actually a 'seed of usefulness' in scientology. They figure that ex-scientologists were hooked once - they can just hook them up again by blaming everything that went wrong on the church organization. We must not forget the money motivation - they bring ex-scientologists back into the trap and it's money in their pockets.

"For example, we already know from observing this site that there is a spinoff from Scientology called Humanism; a destructive mind-control cult which specializes in exploiting ex-Scientologists. Well, you can't blame demons for trying - I mean, deceit and darkness is what demonism is all about."

Sam, Sam... would you please try to familiarize yourself with Humanism a little before you make such a complete ASS of yourself?

Secular Humanists, such as myself, don't believe in cults, don't comprise a cult, in fact we are typically not "joiners." Secular Humanism is a philosophy, not a group (any more than any other philosophy is), not a religion (hello, that's why the word "Secular"), not destructive (to anything except superstition, I hope), and certainly not involved in something as morally disgusting as exploiting people (exploiting people is against the very theme). We don't believe in demons, either; demons are part of the mind-numbing superstition I gave up when I left the Church that spawned the idea that there even were such things.

"We," as a matter of fact, have as many opinions on as many subjects as there are individual Humanists... and this is encouraged. THINKING is encouraged. (Try it some time, you might like it.) That's why most of us consider ourselves "freethinkers" (this is also another name for atheists).

You are encouraged to start your research at www.humanist.net, the official website of the American Humanist Association (full disclosure; I am a member).

I forget who said "It is human nature to lash out against ignorance," but it explains why I'm feeling so angry with you right now. (Moron.) If you can't handle it, don't worry; God will protect you from the bad thoughts of the evil infidel... even if they're true.

(growl)... speedwell

I second the motion Sammy! There is no getting around the fact that $cientology in any form was "invented" by Mr. Nutbard. All the broken lives, lost fortunes, destructive policy and co$ "SP" re-organization has been born from the "brain child" of a manipulating, controlling, madman.

Anyone who still thinks there is an ounce of truth in anything Weird Ronny had to say, should do an intensive research of his life, as it actually was. Once you understand who he really was, as opposed to the version spoon-fed to the masses by co$ propaganda, the bottom falls out of the whole dung heap. Any "truths" that can be found in the con-game of $cientology can be found else where, in a manner which doesn't fuck your mind over.

Better watch it, 5th Element... he's going to get on your case for saying there might be "truths" in Scientology... personally, if there is a "truth" in Scientology other than "you should look up words you don't know in the dictionary before you use them," I can't offhand think what it is.

speedwell

Thanks for looking over my shoulder Speedwell. For clarification purposes: I didn't mean anything mind boggling...I meant things like "The sky is blue"; "Hitler was a bad guy"; "If you put the key in the ignition and turn it, the car will start", etc.

Even with his propensity for lying, Elron was forced occasionally to write something within the realm of truth, just to keep his hypnotic victims thinking, "He must be making a point here somewhere."

Humanism = $cientology???! Geez! Thanks Speedwell for clearing that issue up. I was wondering about Sammy's comments in this regard. While I'm not a Humanist, I had NEVER heard a word about any connection between this and co$ or any other cult/cult activity. I decided I would have to do a little research, before I could comment on this. Thanks to the diversity of people $cientology has turned into advarsaries, we are fortunate to have a Humanist in our midist, with first hand information Very clearly and emphatically put, Speedwell.

Sammy, you can't go around stating falsehoods as the gospel on this board...someone will definately challenge you on it. Check your facts first and save yourself some headaches.

By the way, where on Earth, did you come up with this idea that Humanism is a "destructive mind control cult that specializes in exploiting ex-$cientologists"??? And what "spammers" are you refering to?

Do the free zoners charge money for courses?
I have never been a Scenio, but I've read ALOT.
When I hear of people who have been working on their cases for years and years, I have to wonder: are they missing out on this life here NOW? Are all of the hours they give to processing themselves replacing possible hours of joy HERE NOW?
Also, I think it's a bad idea for someone to start a permanent thread here for the purpose of
attracting those scientologists who hate the "church"- (which word, by the way, should always be in quotes, in my opinion) but like LRH. I understand that madmen can be geniuses and can have brilliant ideas- nevertheless, if you really look at the fraudulent background lrh created for himself, and look at the way he died- taking drugs-and you look at the cruelty he built into his philosophy- isn't it very hard to believe in the basic structure he set up? If Hitler had some brilliant ideas, some actual constructive ideas, would you still want to associate with his name, because of those ideas, even tho' he was revealed as one of the most destructive men in the world?
I don't wish to condemn processes which help people lead happier, more productive lives; I wish to caution the idea that lrh discovered those ideas, and deserves to be creditied with some kind of spiritual enlightenment that he himself never seemed to have attained.
I relinquish my soap-box for now...

Hitler was a vegetarian. For many, vegetarianism is a thoughtful, moral choice. That doesn't mean Hitler was a thoughtful, moral person.