Paul/Fred - Innocent until proven guilty

Fred Durks · Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 1542

Lot's of good reading........

I'M GOING TO JAIL-
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chad · Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 188

I'll post this to both moderated and unmoderated sections.

Paul, I really hope you eventually realise how much damage you have done to the credibility of critics of the CoS with the utter nonsense you are still trying to peddle.

You've been cunning enough to realise that OCMBers are by and large gullible, easy targets and you were cunning enough to get out of the far-too-hot ars kitchen, but just where is your conscience ?

Of course, of course I'm just an paid/unpaid OSA dupe working in some imaginary basement somewhere with the mission of undermining the credibilty of OCMB's latest 'wonder-boy'.

I've been wondering whether you were playing OCMB for the fools they (mostly and sadly) show themselves to be, or whether they are playing you. Bit of each it seems.

It might be appropriate for you to just cut and run with 'whatntha', she sure seems like your sort of target and you've clearly 'won' her .

Bottom line is, I repeat, just where is your conscience in all of this ?

Fred Durks · Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 1542

chad- I wouldn't expect anything less than a well thought out meaniless post by you, such as the one above.

OSA and the Church of Scientology have never setup people, planted drugs on them or even in their toothpaste. They don't try to shut down any web hosting you put your critic sites up on. Their religion also doesn't hire private investigators to call your work with the intentions of getting you fired......oh, wait, they do.

Don't they spend like %10 of their gross income on ops such as mine and others? YES- THEY DO.

There's more that I could list, but then you would respond with something like "Paul, you're stupid and I'm chad", and then I'll have to respond back to it. So, let's just end it like this-

The Church of Scientology is a wonderful "religion" and I'm planning on taking my "fun and free" personality test next week.
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CD_label · Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 157 Location: Australia

Ltricha1 · Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:58 pm Post subject:

whatntha · Joined: 22 May 2005 Posts: 932 Location: anywhere, USA

Operation Clambake offers healing and support. Chad offers nothing but vitriolic spew towards critics in an attempt to deflect attention away from $cientology. Unfortunately, Cauleen, by his/her own admission is mentally ill and has gone off his/her meds and has focused on attacking a critic.

Paul, Iâ€™m sorry that you have to endure being attacked again.

$cientology is imploding on itself thanks to critics like Paul and Operation Clambake posters and people are no longer joining the cult. The flood gates are open and thereâ€™s no going back -- $cientology is in a downward spiral.

chad · Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 188

Fred says:

woogieboogie · Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 188

Whatntha, you keep bringing up that I take medication and am mentally ill, by my own admission. I guess you donâ€™t understand a sarcastic post when you read it. It came in a context where I wrote that as a joke, and now you keep hauling it out to indicate that whatever I say is meaningless. In reality, I donâ€™t take medication, unlike Paul Horner, who suffers from chronic anxiety attacks (a form of mental illness) and takes Xanax. In order to get a prescription for that he would have to have been seeing a psychiatrist, the only doctors who can prescribe such pills. So if you point the â€œYou are mentally ill so therefore nobody should believe youâ€? finger at me, you must also point it at Paul Horner, who is by his own admission â€œmentally ill.â€?

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Fred Durks · Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 1542

Ltricha1 · Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:22 pm Post subject:

Whatntha has said it best. People like Chad and Cauleen are so transparent to everyone except themselves. Well that is easy to explain, they have the tech, the tech that was created by a self-absorbed madman. I say again, what will you two, what will all of those who have run ops for the cult do, when it all comes crashing down.

Sooner or later, someone is going to blow and take some really damaging information with them to the authorities. What will you do then?
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J. Swift · Joined: 28 Apr 2005 Posts: 8893 Location: 100 Swift Street

Escaped · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 295

Chad,

Since you are aware that the church has indeed set people up as well as having used other dirty tricks on them, why is it so important to you whether the scam called Scientology is guilty in this particular case? I maintain that turnabout is fair play and it matters not if they are guilty this time or not. They have gotten away with this behavior so many times, I would cheer if they got nailed for this, or any other dirty tricks regardless if they are guilty or not.

Abusers usually obey no rules nor have any restraint whatsoever while counting on the fact that the abused play by the rules. I have found that when dealing with abusive people or institutions, one must have no conscience nor guilt whatsoever. This does not mean to break the law, it's simply an attitude adjustment that abusers never seem to anticipate.

You appear to have a vendetta against Fred, and/or an agenda that is pro Scientology. Fred has shown that he is willing to stand up against Scientology. You on the other hand show a pattern of criticism of the critics, pitting one against another. In viewing all your posts, it's clear that the so called church would be very happy with what you are doing. I am only going by what you have posted here for all to see since I know nothing about you personally. Maybe you are connected to the church, or maybe you are not. In either case, the church would be proud of you. Is this what your goal is?

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woogieboogie · Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 188

Hboats, you may be right. I guess I've lost any credibility in this forum that I might have had, if any. I've been untruthful about who I am, where I live, my age and even my gender; so I guess none of you will ever take me seriously. The old members of OCMB are very good attack dogs, and one has to be well-armored to come here. I'll continue to read the posts here, though, because I'm caught up in the drama, and am looking forward to seeing where Paul Horner's story leads. Thanks for the entertainment, Paul. I was over at the Tom Cruise Scientology Chalkboard and read a post by "Ralph" that about sums up my view:

"I may be wrong, you may have indeed been set up for the fall you took by agents of the Church of Scientology who tazared you, injected you with alcohol in some way and/or gave you some sort of drug, drove your car out to where you work in broad daylight, put it up over a center median exactly where they knew there would be no security cameras, put you in the back seat, had a couple of their goons call the police, report that they saw you driving by using untraceable pre-paid cell phones, and the police officer who wrote the report might be one of their agents as part of an elaborate, complicated and dramatic scenerio to get you fired and put in jail. It's possible, I guess."

Ltricha1 · Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:48 pm Post subject:

I doubt the police officer was an agent of the church and I really doubt Paul feels that way also. The arresting officer was just writing up the report as he saw it. Trust me, most police officer HATE writing up reports, so often they are just briefs and consider as such in any trial proceedings.
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