This one is interesting:





I can't remember seing someone being declared for asking for their money back. Dorthe Mai did actually get her money back (!) and all she threatened with was that if she didn't she would go to a lawyer for help.

Salute to Dorthe!

Next they'll be declaring people for leaving the toilet seat up.

And they should start declaring for people for leaving the toilet seats up. Those bastards are evil!!!

I suppose they will be safe, as Hubbo didn't write an HCOPL on it (I think). He did write an HCOPL on "car washing", however, IIRC.

But the declare figures, doesn't it? CoS doesn't deliver what they promised to deliver, the disgruntled member wants her money back, and all CoS comes up with is declaring her an SP.

Although, come to think of it, she is an archSP. Not only won't she probably fork over any more money, she even wants her money back.

And she got it back. Good for her!

Wow, I think Scn is losing their touch. I've seen declares written on innocent people that were 12 or 13 bullet points long!!! Someone has to go back to cramming on how to drum up false charges...


Barky

I think its meant to intimidate other Scientologist still in about asking for their money back.
They have broadened their definition of what can constitute being an SP.
They have probably been hit quite a bit for refunds this last year.

I'm glad she is out and got her money back.

i like the way the s.p declare says "come back to her senses"..she did come back,she relized it was all bullshit and asked for her money back.
go figure!
lovin it.

What would happen if I tried to be declared an SP? I've never been in Scientology, but if I wrote a letter to an org requesting a declare, would they do it?

Excuse my ignorance...is this "refund" unique to Denmark?

Or could a U.S. citizen do the same with similar results?

Repayment and Refund cases have always been excommunicated and deadfiled in accordance with CoS policy.

But I don't think I have seen an official SP declare because of a refund before.

There's a standard policy procedure for getting refunds and leaving the COS. It involves a specific routing form that includes signing legal disclaimers. If you don't cooperate--let's say--by asserting, "just give me money back," or "I'm leaving, good bye," you will be declared. That's always been the case.

Perhaps next time they decide to write such a "formal" letter and send it out as a scare tactic to keep members from asking for a refund, they could at least spell check it first. Or simply remember "i before e except after c" (they spelled received wrong) sheesh. Bad enough they thought to write this up... but come on...

LOL! They spelled "received" wrong. Nicely spotted, CG.

Maybe spell-checker is an SP cuz it doesn't recognize all their made-up words.

I've decided my cat is an SP cuz she won't eat the food I put out for her this morning.

She should appeal the declare, because it's not valid.

The declare clearly states that the suppressive act she is accused of is the demand for the return of fees.



However in the prelude, it is made clear that she requested a refund of her donations, not fees. Legally, there is a clear difference between what is a donation and what is a fee. A donation is a gratuity, without strings attached. A fee however is made as part of a binding contract. Demanding the return of a fee might imply a breach of contract. However, as a donation is a gratuity, asking for the return of a donation raises no such considerations.

Quite apart from the question whether demanding the return of a donation gives the (ahem) 'church' the right to declare a person 'suppressive' (complete with the implied constraints on Dorthe Mai's freedoms of association), she quite simply hasn't committed the act suggested, of demanding the return of 'fees'.

It would be an interesting test of Scientology (choke) 'justice' to see whether this invalid declare could be successfully appealed.

Naah, that's because they have all those word-clearing methods, the clay-demos and the Delphi Schools, so they can't admit that they are in desperate need of a spell-checker.



I guess you still won't disconnect.

(Sorry, you're obviously a cat-slave, so that was a stupid remark.)