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How many have to die - A Memorial to those who have died

Post by Ltricha1 » Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:37 pm

New list from compiled from here
Please keep your discussion there. I really want this space for a listing of names and causes.
This list is a representation of the names of those who have died,
1. While in $cientology
2. Because of their involvement to $cientology.
3. They refused medical treatment in favor of the lies of $cientology.
4. Or finally because a $cientologist killed them.
Thank you

Edit 09/05/2006 - List resorted by name.

Adam Hebblewhite Suicide
Al Crivello Suicide
Alain Priouzeau Car Wreck
Alan Meredith Suicide
Albert Jaquier ?
Alex Eenkhoorn Natural Causes
Alice Miller C. Cancer
Allen Kapular Cancer
Andreas Ostertag Suicide<Questionable>
Andy Simpson Natural Causes
Andy Simpson Natural Causes
Arthur Beals Murder
Barbara Clarke Cancer
Betty Filinsky Cancer
Betty Halliday Cancer
Bo Jonsson Suicide
Bo Wennberg Diabeties
Bob Borowski Gun Accident <Questionable>
Bob Mills ?
Bob Ross Natural Causes
Bob Ruskin Suicide
Bob Shafner Suicide
Bobby Gerrold Cancer
Brian Rubineck ?
Bud Fields Murder
Cam Solari Cancer
Carol South Natural Causes
Carole Gluchacki Suicide
Carrie Slaughterbeck ?
Caspar C. Suicide
Cecilia Rojo ?
Charles Sheahan Natural Causes
Christopher Arbuckle ?
Claire Reppen Cancer
Claudia Petschek Suicide
Craig Miller Suicide
D. Dewhurst Suicide
Dabney T. Waring Cancer <Unknown>
Daphne Parselle ?
David Baker Suicide
David Cloud Car Wreck
David Miscavige's Sister Suicide
David Sandweiss Murder<Unknown>
Diane Colletto Murder
Diane Morrison Cancer
Dianna Morrison Cancer
Don Permarukov Car Wreck
Doug Long Sucide
Dick Halprim Suicide
Doreen Gaul Murder
Dorothy Barton Cancer
Ed Brewer Car Wreck
Ed Mooney Natural Causes
Ellen Carder ?
Ellen Griffin Cancer
Ellie Blankenship Natural Causes
Eric Rubio Starvation
Erica Laws Cancer
Eunice Ford Natural Causes
Fenton Jones Natural Causes
Flo Barnett Suicide<Very Questionable>
Frank Suarez ?
Gabriella Bramucci ?
Gary Ross ?
Gay Doucette Suicide
Gene Trout ?
Gerard M Suicide
Goran Andersson Suicide
Grant Pool ?
Greg Bashaw Suicide
Gregory Wisner Drowned
Guiseppe Tomba ?
Hank Deneke ?
Hannu Hyttinen ?
Helen Ralston Cancer
Heribert Pfaff Untreated Epilepsy
Herve Hiver Murder
Howard Rower Natural Causes
Hugh Franklin Suicide
Ian Tampion Cancer
Idella Stone ?
Jaime Lee Nureyev Murder
James Sharp Murder
James Stewart Suicide
Jan Savioe Natural Causes
Jan Savioe Natural Causes
Jane King Murder
Jane Winkler ?
Jens Bogvad Cancer
Jill Graham Cancer
Jim Hester ?
Jimmy Spheeris ?
Jim Whyte Train hopping accident
Jocelyne Dorfmann ?
Joe Harrington Cancer
Joe Harrington Natural Causes
John Breedlove ?
John Buchanan Suicide
John Colletto Suicide
John Griffin Suicide
John Henry O'Brien Suicide
John Kennedy Murder
John Kramer Motorcycle Wreck
John Robert Smith Heart attack
John Roberts Purification Rundown (Actual Cause?)
Joseph Havenith Purification Rundown (Actual Cause?)
Joy McBride ?
Julia Salmen ?
Karen Fuller ?
Karen Simon Suicide
Karin Hommeburg Suicide
Katie Harrold DeCosin Cancer
Keith Klein Suicide
Khushroo Motivala Suicide
Konrad Aigner Purif Rundown, coma & death 1997.
L Ron Hubbard Natural Causes
Larrayne Johnston ?
Larry M. Wheaton Jetliner Crash
Laura Hippe Suicide
Lauren Hiver Murder
Lauren Hiver Murder
Laverne Jardine Natural Causes
Lavina Timmons ?
Lee Johnstone Suicide
Leigh Crundall Suicide
Leslie Platinsky ?
Lila Leighton Brown Suicide
Lindy Duncanson Cancer
Lisa Bocklemann Suicide
Lisa McPherson Dehydration
Lori Wood ?
Louie Belucci Natural Causes
Louie Pagliaro Murder
Luzette Sparrin ?
Margarit Winkelmann Suicide
Maria de Rosario Almeida Murder
Marie Passmore ?
Marie-Louise Krusell ?
Marie-Louise Krusell Drug related
Mark Carlton Suicide
Mark Kabat Suicide
Mark Schaatsbergen Suicide
Marla Panda Cancer
Martina Douglas Suicide
Mary Garlick Cancer
Mary Stouffer Cancer
Mats Norryd Cancer
Maude Casissu Suicide
Melanie Bruemmer Cancer
Michael Bonnin ?
Michael Carr Car Wreck
Michael Friedlich Suicide
Michael Leube Suicide
Mickey Luell Influenza
Mike Gutmann Suicide
Natalie Ellis Cancer
Noah Lottick Suicide
Otis Halliday Cancer
Paolo Lionini Cancer
Paride Ella ?
Pat Bloomberg Cancer
Pat Caid ?
Patrice Vic Suicide
Paul Schaeffer Suicide
Peggy Bankston ?
Peter Ernst Frei Drowned
Peter Frei Suicide
Peter Sparshot Cancer
Pheobe Maurer Cancer
Phil Valinski Purification Rundown (Actual Cause?)
Philip Gale Suicide
Philip Gale Suicide
Philip Giovinco Heart attack
Phoebe Mauerer ?
Phoebe Mauerer ?
Pius Keel Suicide
Quentin Hubbard Suicide
Quentin Schnehager Suicide
Randy Emery ?
Randy Patterson Suicide
Ray Kundel Car Wreck
Richard Collins Suicide
Richard Collins Suicide
Rita Smith Suicide
Robert Nind ?
Robert Oakes ?
Roberto D. Suicide
Rodney Rimando Suicide
Roxanne Friend Cancer
Ruben Flores Sr. Suicide
Rudolf Willems Suicide
Rudolph Duncan Plane Crash
Ruth Valko-Burness Natural Causes
Sally Chaleff Cancer
Sally Chaleff Cancer
Sally Esterman Cancer
Sandra Meirsdorf Natural Causes
Scott Leland ?
Scott Leland ?
Sheila Harris ?
Siama Gallop Cancer
Sonny Bono Skiing Accident
Stan Rogers Heart Attack
Stacey Moxon Myer Electrocution
Steve O'Hara Cancer
Steven Craine Suicide
Sue Hebert Cancer
Sue Mueller Cancer
Susan Johnson ?
Susan Meister Suicide
Susan Todd Hunter Natural Causes
Suzine Van Sickle Murder
Syma Zimmer ?
Terry McCann Purification Rundown (Actual Cause?)
Threse Murphy Cancer
Trine Kjeldsen Lung Cancer
Van Seffers Purification Rundown (Actual Cause?)
Vaughn Young Cancer
Virgil Wilhite ?
Wayne Pruitt Suicide
Wendy Kretz Cancer
Wilhelm Mack ?
William Fisk Murder
William J. Downey III Cancer
Yvonne Jentzsch Cancer
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Post by tommygormanxenu » Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:23 am

Hey good posting on that. Everyone keep telling the true harms of scientology . Scientology does not think we will speak out and really does not want us too at all . It is called BAD PR but we really know that just means Truth about how scientology really is so lets put the cult of scientology in its place by speaking the true harms of scientology . SCIENTOLOGY SUCKS .
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Post by Whitedove » Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:51 pm

LTricha,
Alain Priouzeau I knew.
Unless I got the wrong guy but I dont think so. The last name i'm not sure is written right.
And the one I know, what I heared many years later is that he had been hit by a car right in front of the flag land base.
Where did you get that one? I want to read about this.
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Post by Ltricha1 » Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:00 pm

This list is a copy of a copy of a list originally posted back in 2001-2 by Zaphod.
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Post by joolie » Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:08 am

Also

From The UK
Adam Hebblewhite - Suicide
Lisa Bocklemann - Suicide

I think I have spelt Lisa's name correctly.

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Post by tommygormanxenu » Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:56 am

That is so true . I hope we all can let everyone know of those who died in the cult of scientology . Everyone keep telling the true harms of scientology . There is way to many people that died in the cult of scientology .
H.O. Tommy Gorman
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Post by leereyno » Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:58 am

How many of these people merely died while in Scientology, as opposed to dying FROM Scientology?

Obviously if someone hanged themselves or jumped off a bridge then a case can be made that they were driven to it by Hubbard's satanic UFO mind control cult. But what about Alain Priouzeau who apparently died in a car wreck, or all the people who are listed as having died of natural causes?

The battle against scientology is a fight against lies. It cannot be won when those leading the charge are themselves lying. The struggle is to inform the world about the nature of this cult, and that requires trust. Without total and complete honesty that trust will never be earned. When a critic lies about scientology it helps the cult because it makes it difficult for the public to distinguish between us and them.

Telling lies about the devil is still misrepresenting the truth. The devil does more than enough evil on his own without someone having to invent things to blame him for. The same is true of scientology.

Without intellectual honesty we are lost.

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Post by Whitedove » Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:23 pm

I understand and wholeheartedly agree with you leereyno.

BUT, Ltricha1 post wasnt a lie. He is anything but a liar.
Yes there is people that commit suicide (thats something to talk about)
People that die of cancer (because they tought auditing would 'cure' them)
And people that die because of a freak accident.

Thing is, $cientology tells you you are invincible if you follow its 'path'. That nothing will happen to you if your ethics are 'in'. Well, bad things DO happen to good people. ah! that is REALITY!
Out ethics? Find ONE person that is perfect? Even the best of us. So, basically, since nobody can be perfectly ethical, than any of us is susceptible to the supposely 'bad things' that can happen if you are out ethics. The pressure put on $cientologists to be 'perfect' is inhuman and innaceptable.
And please, lets not go into extremes here shall we. I'm not talking about murdereds or stealing or heavy stuff like that. Just the normal ordinary person.

LTricha1 list shows that $cientologists are like every other human beings and can die from a freak accident as well.

Most $cientologists I knew tought that nothing would ever happened to them if their ethics were 'in', if they got audited. I tought the same myself.
thats the thing. Its another lie.

We all want to be invincible and immortal. Every one of us. And to face the fact that something can happen even to the best of us is tough to face.

This is not being 'entheta' or 'out ethics'. Its the way it is.

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Post by Judith Anderson » Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:58 pm

Have any of you ever known of Scientologists who died from complications of diabetes or would they just be grouped into "natural causes?" If so, did they develop it after they were in CoS for a while or were they diagnosed before they became members and then were discouraged from taking their insulin? Do you think some may have died due to ignoring their condition until it was too late and even then refusing medical intervention?

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Post by leereyno » Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:18 am

The title of this thread is "How many have to die - A memorial to those who have died." The most probable way that someone is going to interpret this title and the list that accompanies it is as a list of people who have died at the hands of Scientology. No where in the post was there any sort of disclaimer explaining that not everyone on this list actually died as a direct result of scientology. Nowhere is there a disclaimer that explains how this list is simply supposed to show that scientologists are human and vulnerable to all of the same maladies, diseases and accidents that everyone else is. The only impression that is created is that this is a list of scientology's victims. To include in this list people whose deaths had nothing to do with scientology is therefore quite dishonest.

If the purpose of this list is to demonstrate the fallability and human frailty of scientologists, then it should do so explicitly. Simply giving a list without any explanation invites readers to arrive at their own conclusions, and when the title of the list is "how many have to die" there is only one conclusion possible.
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Post by tommygormanxenu » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:25 am

Whitedove very true . Look at all these OT 8s that have died of cancer . Ethics has nothing to do with any of it even though people want to think it does lol. Scientology harms so many and it is really sad . Keep up the great postings .
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Post by Ltricha1 » Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:57 am

leereyno wrote:The title of this thread is "How many have to die - A memorial to those who have died." The most probable way that someone is going to interpret this title and the list that accompanies it is as a list of people who have died at the hands of Scientology. No where in the post was there any sort of disclaimer explaining that not everyone on this list actually died as a direct result of scientology. Nowhere is there a disclaimer that explains how this list is simply supposed to show that scientologists are human and vulnerable to all of the same maladies, diseases and accidents that everyone else is. The only impression that is created is that this is a list of scientology's victims. To include in this list people whose deaths had nothing to do with scientology is therefore quite dishonest.

If the purpose of this list is to demonstrate the fallability and human frailty of scientologists, then it should do so explicitly. Simply giving a list without any explanation invites readers to arrive at their own conclusions, and when the title of the list is "how many have to die" there is only one conclusion possible.


In the case of Alain Priouzeau, I believe he fell asleep at the wheel driving home from the org to get another 2 hours of sleep, (The 6th time that week he had less than 6 hours a sleep a night)...

The point is $cientology kills... There people had their lives cut short for on reason or another because of their involvment in $cientology.

You object to the list? Make your own.
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Post by PTS » Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:56 am

Katie Harrold DeCosin in 2002 age 48
From untreated breast cancer.
Purification Rundown and Auditing were supposed to cure her.
Guess what, Hubbard's Tech didn't work then and it doesn't work now.

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Post by tommygormanxenu » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:23 am

Cecilia Rojo Died at the Mohave desert before it got moved from LA . She was my very good friend and she was only 17 years old at the time. Scientology cremated her body within 24 hours some how even before asking her mother if it was ok. They made her mom sign many papers and told her not to talk to her non scientologist family members about the death because it was bad PR . OSA Jeff Quiros the DSA from San Francisco was the one who was dealing with this death. Keep telling the true harms of scientology . Oh the cult of scientology moved it to some other place right after she died. H.O. Tommy Gorman
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Post by PTS » Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:44 am

Katie DeCosin age 48

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