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 Post subject: Ken Ogger (The Pilot) murdered?
PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 2:53 pm 
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This from ESMB:

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I read this on a list today. It seems genuine. I have excerpted it from an e-mail sent by Ken's girlfriend:


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He was found dead today, on May 29, in the pool of his house. When
the police took his body out, his hands were tied with a wire, and a
heavy concrete thing attached to his feet.

That she was well-known to Ken has been authenticated by someone I trust.

I couldn't find anything in Google News when I looked just now.

Paul


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Ken Ogger, known as "The Pilot", a pioneer of the
Free Zone, was found drowned in the pool of his house
in LA on the 29th of May 2007.

His hands were tied with wire and a heavy concrete
weight held his legs down.

The police is investigating.



Ken Ogger was known as the author of analyses about
the Church of Scientology's mismanagement and author
of auditing manuals. After his own wife betrayed his
identity to the church, he suffered a breakdown and
soon afterwards went through a severe health crisis.

On 20th of May 2007 he reported back to his newsgroups
in his old dynamic way. He published a series of texts
in which he told about his physical recovery, about his
plans to become active as "Pilot" again, but also about
the Church of Scientology's attacks on his private life.

Nine days later he was dead.


Heidrun Beer


WTF? :shock:

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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 3:22 pm 
Oh boy...that doesn't look too good, does it? :shock:


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If this is true I am so upset.

This was a guy with real integrity.

May his spirit grow stronger. My affinity for the COS is now completely gone.

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If true, this is not only terribly sad news for those who loved Ken but also a stunningly bad development for CoS. Even if they are not complicit in Ken's death, they will be suspected and investigated because of their past harassment of him. And that will mean MORE scrutiny of the cult, MORE negative PR for them ... right on the heels of the BBC fiasco and with the Keith Henson persecution still ongoing.

Wake, up, CoS! The result of your Fair Gaming people is that, when one of them dies under mysterious circumstances, you are suspected of murder. The best thing you could do for your organization would be to stop Fair Gaming those who disagree with you.


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This saddens me. Even if Cof$ didn't do it or hire a couple of Pulp Fiction'ist hitmen, I hold them responsible anyway...

To make people feel bad, (cave them in.) until they suicide or die of the stress from harrasment and threaths is a stated purpose of the Fair Game law. Evidenced and demonstrated in the Paulette Cooper case and documented in their own 'programme' Operation Freakout.

Hubbard bragged: "People are dead because they opposed us!"

To this I will say: "Religions has crumbled because people simply won't tolerate mindnumbing balderdash and bullies!!!"

This was posted on ARS. Latest posts: A.R.S : The Pilot, May 20.

(I tried searching for news. Nothing yet to verify the story. Strange, but then it keeps hope alive that this is a hoax and Ken is ok..)


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Grace Aaron posted this on ARS a moment ago....

Grace Aaron, earlier on ARS, wrote:
Late last night 2 friends called me to tell me about Ken Ogger's
death. I called the North Hollywood police station to verify the
information. The policeman I spoke with had no information except to
tell me that there was a detective handling the case and that I could
call him in the morning.

This morning I spoke with Detective Castro, who is the detective
assigned to Ken's case. He did confirm that Ken passed away. He said
that the police had strong evidence pointing to suicide but that a
final adjudication will not be made until the autopsy being done is
completed.

I gave him the information I had been told about his hands being tied
with wire and his feet weighed down with a heavy object. The
detective said that information was not true. He reiterated the fact
that the police have strong evidence of suicide.

I have called Ken's number hoping to reach his mother, Louise. I am
concerned about her. She did not answer the phone, which is quite
understandable.

My husband and I knew Ken Ogger. We first met him when we were all on
staff at the New York Scientology organization. In fact, Ken Aaron
(my husband), knew him before I did back in 1968 & 1969. Ken Ogger
audited my husband Ken back then. Ken said that he was his favorite
auditor and that he was very safe.

As a friend, the two things I think of most when I think of Ken Ogger
is that he was one of the most intelligent people I've ever know and
one of the kindest. I don't remember him ever being mean. And he had
a brilliant, brilliant mind as all who have read his writings as The
Pilot can observe.

I am so sad about this. Ken's passing is a great loss to his friends
and to the Freezone community as a whole. He was courageous, incisive
and cared tremendously about his fellow man. There were a whole group
of people in Scientology in the late '60s and early '70s who embodied
the better aspects of Scientology and Ken was certainly one of that
group. He never lost faith in his fellows.

I wish him well and a safe journey to his next game. His writings
will serve as a beacon of light for us.

Grace Aaron

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The internal conversations, the "talk" in one's head that for years builds to someone taking their own life is so sad and tragic.

God speed and RIP Ken.

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I hope something good evolves from this tragedy.

That fact that it's in the L.A. area might intertwine (awareness wise) with the current Keith Henson mess, and some rogue police investigator with a moral purpose, starts to connect the dots with the cult and that FAIR GAME is not some myth or cancelled out program ----> www.FairGamed.org

Btw, how old was Ken Ogger?

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 Post subject: Re: Ken Ogger (The Pilot) murdered?
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:07 pm 
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itsaline wrote:
This from ESMB:

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I read this on a list today. It seems genuine. I have excerpted it from an e-mail sent by Ken's girlfriend:


Quote:
He was found dead today, on May 29, in the pool of his house. When
the police took his body out, his hands were tied with a wire, and a
heavy concrete thing attached to his feet.

That she was well-known to Ken has been authenticated by someone I trust.

I couldn't find anything in Google News when I looked just now.

Paul


And this from ars:

Quote:
Ken Ogger, known as "The Pilot", a pioneer of the
Free Zone, was found drowned in the pool of his house
in LA on the 29th of May 2007.

His hands were tied with wire and a heavy concrete
weight held his legs down.

The police is investigating.



Ken Ogger was known as the author of analyses about
the Church of Scientology's mismanagement and author
of auditing manuals. After his own wife betrayed his
identity to the church, he suffered a breakdown and
soon afterwards went through a severe health crisis.

On 20th of May 2007 he reported back to his newsgroups
in his old dynamic way. He published a series of texts
in which he told about his physical recovery, about his
plans to become active as "Pilot" again, but also about
the Church of Scientology's attacks on his private life.

Nine days later he was dead.


Heidrun Beer


WTF? :shock:


OMG that's just horrible. I'm so sorry.

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Considering all the intimidation by OSA that he had to put up with, I consider he was a very strong individual.

I suppose OSA will be updating their Freezone Survivors site. They like gruesome deaths because they think it has more effect on the people they want to sway. But they're not very bright....

Ken Ogger dying is like blowing through all the stops with all the other people they wanted dead or silenced, in other words, a win.

What a horrible tragedy. I want to know who physically caused it. It's obvious who "mentally" caused it.

Rest in Peace, Ken.


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According to Fredric Rice, posting on ARS earlier:-
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The Homicide Department of the LAPD _has_ ruled the Kenneth Ogger
murder to be homicide, not suicide.

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Here's to justice being served!


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:03 am 
Good Goddess...did he or didn't he have his hands tied with a wire, and a heavy concrete thing attached to his feet. ??


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Apparently, Ken was murdered and it wasnt suicide at all accoding to Frederic Rice on ARS and his 'sources'. Im sure that whatever the case may be, it will all come out in the wash soon enough.

Coincidence that it happened so soon after Ken arrived back in ARS posting? I dont think so.


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