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RealityWillTell



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

moontaco wrote:
Azrael wrote:

i understand he was in clearwater, and at the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, how much money does it take to buy a mortician?

Do you mean the medical examiner (the one who determines the cause of death)? That's who they got to in the Lisa McPherson case. There've been suggestions that the CoS persuaded ME Joan Wood to change the official cause of death from "undetermined" to "accident." But I don't think anyone knows for sure exactly how they managed to persuade her. Confused


Actually there is a thread right now over at Enturbulation that states that the coroner who was called in by the CO$ to help kill the Lisa McPherson case in Florida is now on trial for fraud in Pennsylvania:

Lisa McPherson's coroner on trial?

If convicted this could open up a whole new can of worms for scientology. Maybe they'd even reopen Lisa's case (hopefully)!

Direct Link to Trial Blog: DAY 1
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yup, if your going to cover up a murder, the coroner is definetly
the one you need in your corner.
a troke of the pen from him can make or break the case in court and
even stop or start an investigation in the first place.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

moontaco wrote:
Azrael wrote:

i understand he was in clearwater, and at the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, how much money does it take to buy a mortician?

Do you mean the medical examiner (the one who determines the cause of death)? That's who they got to in the Lisa McPherson case. There've been suggestions that the CoS persuaded ME Joan Wood to change the official cause of death from "undetermined" to "accident." But I don't think anyone knows for sure exactly how they managed to persuade her. Confused


Most people have a price. If the medical examiner cannot be corrupted for money, maybe they let the person know that their children were unsafe, that their past would come and bite them on the arse, that their job was on the line. Maybe their pet turned up dead on their doorstep. Maybe they were run off the road.

Long long ago in a galaxy far far away, I knew people who specialized in slipping drugs into people's drinks at parties, and then getting them into compromising positions, generally disgusting fetishes or homosexuality. And then taking pictures. Another thing they did was drug a person and then video them acting insane. They have already psychologically profiled the target, and they know what will work. Maybe you are motivated by your heart. They even had women who would seduce people into what they believed were long term committed relationships and even marriages to gain an intelligence advantage.

Scientology is an intelligence gathering operation in addition to mind control. It uses it's progrmmed zombies to conduct illegal operations. They are taking over where J. Edgar "Nancyboi" Hoover left off in regards to gathering information to use against citizens for political reasons. Don't think for a minute that anybody in any position to affect the operations of Scientology (in one of their strongholds especially) is not already compromised in some way- at least they have beein thoroughly investigated and all avenues of ingress have been pursued.

So, what does it take? They could possibly find whatever it takes, and do it "quietly and without remorse".

http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/targets-defense-hubbard.htm

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RealityWillTell wrote:
moontaco wrote:
Azrael wrote:

i understand he was in clearwater, and at the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, how much money does it take to buy a mortician?

Do you mean the medical examiner (the one who determines the cause of death)? That's who they got to in the Lisa McPherson case. There've been suggestions that the CoS persuaded ME Joan Wood to change the official cause of death from "undetermined" to "accident." But I don't think anyone knows for sure exactly how they managed to persuade her. Confused


Actually there is a thread right now over at Enturbulation that states that the coroner who was called in by the CO$ to help kill the Lisa McPherson case in Florida is now on trial for fraud in Pennsylvania:

Lisa McPherson's coroner on trial?

If convicted this could open up a whole new can of worms for scientology. Maybe they'd even reopen Lisa's case (hopefully)!

Direct Link to Trial Blog: DAY 1



I am not sure that financial mismanagement type fraud will relate to his competence as a medical examiner. Many doctors get a slap on the wrist for this, and keep their licenses. I haven't read yet where he falsified any medical evidence or perjured.

Can anybody post a link perhaps on another thread showing Wecht's testimonial in the LM case?


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxa4JtxVGFo&feature=related

Dear Church of Scientology,

We anonymous, believe that Shawn Lonsdale could have been killed by
your church for proving to be a thorn in its side.

Though we do not have the evidence nor the right to accuse you, we
believe that the allegation should be put under a microscope and
examined on a micro level.

Shawn Lonsdale was in the middle of exposing your cult in a
documentary when he was killed. They have labeled this a suicide,
however, according to Randy Payne, Shawn had no reason to want to die,
and was doing well. Why are there videos of your church members
assaulting him in public? Why would he kill himself in such a strange
manner? Why would he die so mysteriously while in the process of
exposing your church? These are the questions that need to be asked.
These are the issues that need to be investigated.

The church of Scientology must be stopped and the people who follow it
must realize that they too are victims and escape the cult like
pyramid scheme while they have the chance.

Besides the fact that your church is based on a fictional book

and that L Ron Hubbard has openly stated that if he wanted to be rich
he would create a religion,

there continues to be actions that your church members have been
taking that are alarming and must be looked into.

Anonymous has chosen to place itself at the forefront of avenging the
death of Shawn Lonsdale. Simply by continuing it's protests and making
the public aware of the dark and sinister cult that is slowly growing
behind their backs while they sleep.

They will be awakened.

Anonymous will not stop until the Church of Scientology has been
expunged. They are not only made up of victimized individuals coerced
by manipulation, they are controlled by bigots and greedy fascists
with an agenda to profit off of the ignorance of others.

Anonymous will strike until the nine thousandth nail has been driven
into the heart and soul of this evil enterprise.

Anonymous is legion. Anonymous can not be stopped because we are
invisible, yet unbreakable. We represent the victims. We represent the
army of the public and the voice of everyone. We are the result of
your actions. We are the consequence of past mistakes, and we will not
live to see another catastrophic one take place in front of us, due to
the poor decision making of your followers. your church is the whore
that rides of the shoulders of evil. You are the enemy. Your followers
are the victims. You will be stopped and your church will fall.

We do not forgive. we do not forget.

We are legion.

-------------------------------------
Shawn Lonsdale was found dead on February 16th, 2008. His death so
far has been ruled as a suicide.
http://www.sptimes.com/2008/02/19/Northpinellas/Scourge_of_Scientolog...

Scientology's recent physical assault on Shawn:
http://www.scientomogy.com/scientologist_assaults_protester.php

Tribute video for Shawn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J3iIpAy3ks

Recent news on Shawn Lonsdale's death:
http://forums.enturbulation.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4360

Recent video shot by Shawn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX31iqIcZTw

Directory listing of Shawn Lonsdale:
http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/lonsdale1.html
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good questions from ARS:

> Q. How does somebody:
> 1. get threatened on video tape with harm
> 2. get assaulted on video tape
> 3. get death threats
> 4. die in a manner that could, as reported, easily have been
> homicide
> 5. have that death ruled a suicide within 24 hours


Also, every time I talked to Shawn on the phone he always seemed upbeat and happy. He was down about not having much money, but he would always laugh it off. He had an awesome sense of humor and his videos prove how tough he was.

Scientology is a billion dollar evil corporation that could pull off something of this magnitude.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did Scientologist Tommy Davis have something to do with the death of Shawn Lonsdale?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXcgT1gKD20&watch_response
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SCIE-NO-MO- wrote:
With all due respect and everything, if Shawn left a suicide note and the police conclude it was suicide I think it's fair to leave it at that. Scientology is guilty of so many atrocious things that it's not necessary to spin anything to make them look bad. For Shawn's legacy we should focus on what led to his suicide.


Yeah.. see, I'm thinking "NO".

No one should let this go until such time as the majority is satisfied that everything that can be done, has been done to reach a conclusive determination here, especially given the possible duality of Clearwater authorities.

Every avenue of investigation needs to be exhausted in this instance. If THAT'S done, then the conclusions can be analyzed, accepted and this beast of an event laid to rest, so to speak... However, the possibility of a mere iota of doubt or ground uncovered in this is simply going to open more avenues of questioning.

You can't focus on "what led up to the suicide" without making the suicide itself part and parcel. That's like asking for a meal deal and skipping the drink and fries.

Not letting this go will also send a message; that people are tired of potential bullshit and aren't going to sit back and let sloppy forensics and investigative work slide anymore. The powers that be need to be held accountable NOW for their conclusions and deductive reasoning to the PEOPLE whom they're supposed to represent. A wishy-washy, roll over approach isn't what's needed now.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:05 pm    Post subject: I should take care too
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well I was so feeling down when I heard about SHAWN
first thought it could be an osa dirty trick Crying or Very sad
and when arnie had the fact and real information Crying or Very sad
I read the newspaper 's article and I thought about quentin hubbard's death so very strange too,odd and so terrible and how did the father reacted Crying or Very sad
I din't know about SHAWN lately for over a year
but I was in contact with him a few times on email
the guy was so courageous ,humour ,and wow how many they are around
I would move out if I could
I know it's kinda hard to leave a place you spent so long time good or bad times
I am stillsuspicious about his death
but police and justice I hope will do a good and real investigation
voila
R I P dear friend

I 've done some similiar information in paris too
and I got assaulted differents ways ,differents member of the cult
I went to police precinct many times
I told my friends I was scared and afraid how the cult turn out topward me lately in 2006
physical agressions (3) Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
,intimidations (many) Rolling Eyes , running fast with a car and stopping at the last moment in front of me all smiles from a $cieno driver... Shocked
not long ago an executive
alain T Wink
warned me this way "count out all you bones ,someday you might expect something!!" Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

but lately
I am not the lonesome avenger Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
there's a lot of people from different background even political supporting me Laughing ,my trade union Laughing Laughing ,friends in cl Laughing ubs ,in hospital places I do work Laughing ,artistic agents Laughing ,companies Laughing ,businessesmen in my neighborhood Laughing Laughing Laughing
people at the city council in paris Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
well a lot of people most of them did "anonylmous" help Wink
I am ok
I don'yt feel like killing myself
I don't feel down or blue even the trial and 2007 been a rough year but good news Iam getting back all the money I putted in this judicial business Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
I am a bit tired because I 've to be careful with all these mobsters around Shocked Shocked
but I am not scared and feel very confident about the future around me
my work ,my plans(good plans for 2008 show business in local but show time Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing ,my wife Laughing ,my life Laughing
but guys if something strange and odd might happen ,strange death or whatever
well let tell me you all
I've done all the papers necessary and ready and a very good and discret attorney friend has the envelop
voila
but I don't wanna get into paranoid state of mind Wink
no ,just CAUTION Wink
and to all french osa followers

"je vous emmerde ,vous n'etes que des marionnetttes ,meme pas peur
je vous l'ai prouvé Question
( to french osa followers
" I don't give a damn about you ,you're just a bunch of puppets
I am not scared and I showed it off to you Question

hello to everyone I know on the board specials thanks to andreas ,sponge ,maggoo , j swift , killia, marlyfan ,roan ,oswilkes,and so many "anonymous"
may the farce still be with us
I am expecting to watch the anonymous rally on march 15 2008
the year of the titanic drowning
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:13 pm    Post subject: Re: I should take care too
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zorro wrote:
well I was so feeling down when I heard about SHAWN
first thought it could be an osa dirty trick Crying or Very sad
and when arnie had the fact and real information Crying or Very sad
I read the newspaper 's article and I thought about quentin hubbard's death so very strange too,odd and so terrible and how did the father reacted Crying or Very sad
I din't know about SHAWN lately for over a year
but I was in contact with him a few times on email
the guy was so courageous ,humour ,and wow how many they are around
I would move out if I could
I know it's kinda hard to leave a place you spent so long time good or bad times
I am still suspicious about his death
but police and justice I hope will do a good and real investigation
voila

R I P dear friend

I 've done some similiar information in paris too
and I got assaulted differents ways ,differents member of the cult
I went to police precinct many times
I told my friends I was scared and afraid how the cult turn out topward me lately in 2006
physical agressions (3) Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
,intimidations (many) Rolling Eyes , running fast with a car and stopping at the last moment in front of me all smiles from a $cieno driver... Shocked
not long ago an executive
alain T Wink
warned me this way "count out all you bones ,someday you might expect something!!" Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

but lately
I am not the lonesome avenger Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
there's a lot of people from different background even political supporting me Laughing ,my trade union Laughing Laughing ,friends in cl Laughing ubs ,in hospital places I do work Laughing ,artistic agents Laughing ,companies Laughing ,businessesmen in my neighborhood Laughing Laughing Laughing
people at the city council in paris Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
well a lot of people most of them did "anonylmous" help Wink
I am ok
I don'yt feel like killing myself
I don't feel down or blue even the trial and 2007 been a rough year but good news Iam getting back all the money I putted in this judicial business Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
I am a bit tired because I 've to be careful with all these mobsters around Shocked Shocked
but I am not scared and feel very confident about the future around me
my work ,my plans(good plans for 2008 show business in local but show time Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing ,my wife Laughing ,my life Laughing
but guys if something strange and odd might happen ,strange death or whatever
well let tell me you all
I've done all the papers necessary and ready and a very good and discret attorney friend has the envelop
voila
but I don't wanna get into paranoid state of mind Wink
no ,just CAUTION Wink
and to all french osa followers

"je vous emmerde ,vous n'etes que des marionnetttes ,meme pas peur
je vous l'ai prouvé Question
( to french osa followers
" I don't give a damn about you ,you're just a bunch of puppets
I am not scared and I showed it off to you Question

hello to everyone I know on the board specials thanks to andreas ,sponge ,maggoo , j swift , killia, marlyfan ,roan ,oswilkes,and so many "anonymous"
may the farce still be with us
I am expecting to watch the anonymous rally on march 15 2008
the year of the titanic drowning

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxa4JtxVGFo&feature=related


Shawn Lonsdale was in the middle of exposing your cult in a
documentary when he was killed.

I asked about this on ARS, but I'll ask it here too in case someone here knows the answer. I'd like to know what this is based on. I haven't heard anything about it; all the reports I've seen so far have been about how Shawn had been inactive in his Scientology-related efforts for months. Is there some evidence that he was working on a documentary when he died?
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++++++++++Sacred Cult Scripture++++++++++++++++

We do not treat the sick or the insane. We break no laws. We
do more good in any ten minutes of this planet's time than the
combined efforts of all social ministries on Earth to better
mankind.

Stated that way, however, it looks pretty hopeless and even
dangerous to be a Scientologist.

Except it is totally hopeless and fatal not to be a Scientologist.

— L. Ron Hubbard
HCOB 5 November 1967 Critics of Scientology

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Hubbard's Mushroom wrote:
++++++++++Sacred Cult Scripture++++++++++++++++

We do not treat the sick or the insane. We break no laws. We
do more good in any ten minutes of this planet's time than the
combined efforts of all social ministries on Earth to better
mankind.

Stated that way, however, it looks pretty hopeless and even
dangerous to be a Scientologist.

Except it is totally hopeless and fatal not to be a Scientologist.


— L. Ron Hubbard
HCOB 5 November 1967 Critics of Scientology


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

LOL Hubbards Mushroom! Yes Hubbard set up his game so we were f***ed if we did, and screwed if we didn't.

Hubbard set his game up so that those at the lower levels of scientology do NOT know about the scam. Most scientologists, including most Sea Org, are true believers, and just like at each level of the Bridge, a scientologist learns more and more as he moves up the heirarchy within the cult. The experience of a public is going to be alot different from that of a Mission staff, Org staff, Sea Org, CMO, INT, etc.

LRH wrote alot of references about games, and reading them now, after I am out, I see that he really did tell us exactly what he was doing, we just didn't see that he was doing it to us.

Remember the saying "The best place to hide something is right in plain sight."? I think that is just what Hubbard did with alot of things.

This is at the end of PDC lecture 39 of 12 Dec 52 titled
"Games Processing":

Quote:

"Now the caste system of games consists of this -


The Maker of Games - He has no rules, he runs by no rules.


The Players of the Game - Rules know but he obeys them.


The Assistant Players - Merely obey the players.


The Peices - Obey rules as dictated by players, but
they don't know the rules.


And then there's Broken Pieces - They aren't even in the
game but they're still in the game (and they are in a terrible
maybe, am I in a game or am I not in a game).


Now, how to make a piece (this is how to make a piece) -


1. Deny that there is a game
2. Hide the rules from them
3. Give them all the penalties and no wins
4. Remove all goals (ALL Goals)


Enforce their playing.
Inhibit their enjoying.



Make them look like but forbid their being like players
(look like god but you can't be god).


To make a piece continue to be a piece, permit it to associate
only with pieces and deny the existence of players (never
let the peices (PCs) find out that there are players).


Now out of this you're going to get a game". - L Ron Hubbard

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SCIE-NO-MO- wrote:
With all due respect and everything, if Shawn left a suicide note and the police conclude it was suicide I think it's fair to leave it at that. Scientology is guilty of so many atrocious things that it's not necessary to spin anything to make them look bad. For Shawn's legacy we should focus on what led to his suicide.


If it looks like a duck.
If it walks like a duck.
If it talkls like a duck.
It's a fucking duck.

It sure seems like he went through an elaborate process just to kill himself and there is no mention of what is in his alleged suicide note. I'm willing to bet he wrote that he was sorry for all the horrible things he did tho the Co$.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a sucicide is completely illogical.

1:
if there was anything driving him to that end then it was pressure
from scientology, and so a week after CS takes its biggest damage
in its entire existance doesnt quite fit the bill of a low point.

2:
also if some1 would use car exhaust fumes to kill himself he would
ordinarily do that inside the car.
it make no sense to go out of your way to do it in your living room.

3:
we allready know CS has corrupted the police in clearwater,
and taking their word for anything would be the level of naivete one
could only expect from an active scientologist.

4:
MLK: dead, JFK: dead, RFK: dead, Malcom X: dead, John Lennon: dead, Ghandi: dead.
Reagan: wounded, Bush: wounded.

again only a scientologist can judge things of this nature at face value.
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