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Roadrunner
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 Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:32 am Post subject:
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Hi,
In the last few days there have been some developments. This post is just an attempt to address some of the significances of it.
| entheta wrote: | | I confess, I fed that babbling troll too... it's hard not to, when it APPEARS to be a discussion. My apologies for being duped. |
Seeing trolls appear to be synonym with seeing Martians. Various things are just stated, but never supported with some proper supported argumentation or for that matter logic. Thus you simply kill the communication rather effectively. Now we can confidently go elsewhere!
Something has become uncomfortable. There is this person. You imagine some things and then you say: "It's a troll!". Then in choir we repeat: "Yeah, it's a troll", followed by "Don't feed the troll!". See how it works?
| Quote: | | Since it's hard to allow RR's words to stand as if they are un-answered, yet we know it's pointless to try to discuss things with RR, I propose that a similar disclaimer post be put up immediately after each RR post. |
My friend it requires INTELLIGENCE, that appears to be at least one of the problems. Various did actually write as if I would be very intelligent  , I should write more simple, some have responded.
But it is just easier and more comfortable to just call something else being the reason. But how one has come to the conclusion, now this gets never explained deductively.
| Quote: | Something to the effect of:
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Dear Readers of OCMB: We, the undersigned members of OCMB, choose not to engage in discussions with this poster, because we have concluded this poster is a troll; meaning, his intentions here are not to have a meaningful or productive debate, but rather to smear other posters with illogical attacks, to put forth untenable endorsements of the CoS, or to draw attention away from other threads. Thus, we choose not to engage this person in debates, because he has demonstrated a nearly complete lack of consideration of external points of view, and consistently refuses to answer simple, straightforward questions in an honest or productive manner. |
The delusion is astounding, but is nothing to worry about. It makes it quite clear with what kind of people one is dealing then. It is not so surprising to see that these advocate against the subject of Scientology, about everything is violated and ignored (in particular socalled debating rules). It is not the people that are at blame, no no no it is the subject they tell (or both). But one appears utterly unable to discuss the subject more seriously at about ANY level. It very quickly turns to tirades of invalidations and blind statements lacking any previous deductable evaluation nor logic. This is what commonly is referred to as suffering from delusions. The main typical trait being accusing others of the things one is obviously guilty of himself.
The repute of this forum (or rather of a variety of the present regular posters), has been damaged accurately just by some of its members. Knowledgeable persons to which one has no effective answers are just called trolls. One person says so and the rest simply follows. The agreement grows because it is convenient. It appears that it is considered fun to demolish persons of another opinion with these tirades of consistent invalidations. Nonetheless one utters protest (or rather claim this) to Fair Game and Disconnection practices of some other organization, but in the very same breath apply it ourselves to those that do not conform to us!
See, people are exposed by their behaviour, they always are, it never fails. Why? Basically because people suffering of delusions do not see, they can not evaluate, they choose the easy way out. They will resort to any means to remain in that adopted delusion, in that cult of their own choice and creation. If you read between the lines you may see them saying, I am safe in my cocoon, please let me be there. In the end they may become rather desperate about it, then the delusion really falls into place. Then there is no way of return.
And the group or cult has been created, but we don't call it that.
Indeed you are free to respond as you see fit as this poster says. He also writes: "We feel it is not.". Note that it says "we". Now we have an advocate to speak for all of us. Now we can build our cult or add to the already existing one.
The thread that I created:
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=25753
At present 226 posts, and over 5,524 hits on the thread (and ever rising). Not so bad for just a few days.
Then a thread was created just for me (the Warner Bros character)
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=25804
At present 67 posts, and over 1,571 hits on the thread.
It's all about supposed trolls.
Then it was noted on ESMB (Ex-Scientology Message Board), which gave some interesting replies from various.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=4552
These threads actually will provide for interesting studies of human behaviour.
If one wishes to fight injustices exercised by some claimed organization it requires that one educates people. This is basically the only way to terminatedly handle an unwanted situation. It requires a proper evaluation. What is the situation and for all what is causing it. One needs to become cause, one needs to become independent. One however doesn't get anywhere with staying in some self-created cocoon and join another cult (which you don't call as such, part of the delusion).
Now what have we seen happening? Nonetheless I am blindly accused of doing the opposite. In fact my only purpose could said to be this very education. So do people around here then wish to be educated themselves? It does not appear so.
| Quote: | what do you all think? too much? we'll call it a group FART?
well, anyway, thanks Natty, for the great thread, love your sense of humor. Good night all |
Indeed good morning to all!
Mind this though:
“The common denominator of a group is the reactive bank. Thetans without banks have different responses. They only have their banks in common. They agree then only on bank principles. Person to person the bank is identical. So constructive ideas are individual and seldom get broad agreement in a human group. An individual must rise above an avid craving for agreement from a humanoid group to get anything decent done.” LRH
(from HCO PL 7 Feb 65 “Keeping Scientology Working”)
All this is not written for the true trolls around here. It is not. But some who read these lines will respond to themselves.
But not to worry, I have said most I wanted to say here. I will however remain to be my intent to educate. Understanding is the only thing that gets us permanently out of our little cocoon, our 'safe' place. See the little www button somewhere below here. There is this chapter about 'Scientology in the media and on the Internet'.
See, I am just holding up a mirror. Dare to look into it. 
Kind regards and best wishes,
RR
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Tsar von Humbug
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Firstly, I'd like to make clear what's meant by 'troll' RR.
It's not a mythical being like a pixie or an elf. In netspeak, it refers to someone who isn't interested in real debate, but just tries to stir up trouble.
The reason some people here have called you a troll is that they see you promoting Scientology's 'tech' and claiming its advantages, but you fail to answer straightforward basic questions, at the same time, like what those advantages are. It becomes very frustrating trying to have a sensible discussion with someone who's always changing the subject, and evading critical issues. Some infer from this behaviour that you're not truly interested in discussing the issues, that you're just trying to disrupt the steady flow of communication here.
Now I'm not saying your purpose has been to disrupt the boards. Obviously a lot of people have come to that conclusion. I haven't. But. You have to recognise that Scientology doesn't like OCMB, and wishes it could do away with it. It's tried to get rid of OCMB in the past and failed. However what it can do is get its agents (OSA or hired PR people) to disrupt the boards, and thereby reduce the effectiveness of the discussion and criticism on OCMB. I really hope this isn't your purpose here, but really we have no way of knowing.
It really would help matters if it didn't look like you're constantly trying to duck hard questions. Like this one, which you've never responded to:
What are the advantages of Scientology, and how are they measured?
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RWT - LOL 
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Roadrunner
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Thank you very kindly, this does confirm my point. Is this the level where all is at?
Regards,
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Roadrunner
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| Tsar von Humbug wrote: | Firstly, I'd like to make clear what's meant by 'troll' RR.
It's not a mythical being like a pixie or an elf. In netspeak, it refers to someone who isn't interested in real debate, but just tries to stir up trouble.
The reason some people here have called you a troll is that they see you promoting Scientology's 'tech' and claiming its advantages, but you fail to answer straightforward basic questions, at the same time, like what those advantages are. It becomes very frustrating trying to have a sensible discussion with someone who's always changing the subject, and evading critical issues. Some infer from this behaviour that you're not truly interested in discussing the issues, that you're just trying to disrupt the steady flow of communication here. |
You yourself have been wondering about what 'practical philosophy' may mean. On the other hand you claim to know at least a fairly great deal about the subject. However it being a 'practical philosphy' is a basic essence of the subject. Then I start to wonder what do you know actually about the subject.
| Quote: | | Now I'm not saying your purpose has been to disrupt the boards. Obviously a lot of people have come to that conclusion. I haven't. But. You have to recognise that Scientology doesn't like OCMB, and wishes it could do away with it. It's tried to get rid of OCMB in the past and failed. However what it can do is get its agents (OSA or hired PR people) to disrupt the boards, and thereby reduce the effectiveness of the discussion and criticism on OCMB. I really hope this isn't your purpose here, but really we have no way of knowing. |
If I regard the various postings then I don't think OCMB is much to worry about. You have all the data at hand to determine if I am or if I am not (OSA). If you are sound of mind you can easily establish exactly that.
| Quote: | It really would help matters if it didn't look like you're constantly trying to duck hard questions. Like this one, which you've never responded to:
What are the advantages of Scientology, and how are they measured? |
'Practical philosophy' start defining it. It is in fact that simple.
You see, probably no person here will acknowledge anything that I may say regarding benefits. It will immediately turn to tirades of links to sites of people that died, so on, and so on. This then will disrupt my threads (see my first post!). Get my point? So who actually is the disruptive factor here??
My intent is simply to add perspective to things. If you are going to attack or criticize you need to determine which is your target. You can't just jump on people with all sorts of claims, not support or explain anything and then go away. Things need to be constructive or no person will take you seriously.
I have seen benefits. And I have seen the logic in various. This is real for me, but has little value to others. Especially not on this forum.
Regards,
RR |
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Tsar von Humbug
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| Roadrunner wrote: | You see, probably no person here will acknowledge anything that I may say regarding benefits. It will immediately turn to tirades of links to sites of people that died, so on, and so on. This then will disrupt my threads (see my first post!). Get my point? So who actually is the disruptive factor here??
My intent is simply to add perspective to things. If you are going to attack or criticize you need to determine which is your target. You can't just jump on people with all sorts of claims, not support or explain anything and then go away. Things need to be constructive or no person will take you seriously.
I have seen benefits. And I have seen the logic in various. This is real for me, but has little value to others. Especially not on this forum.
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Thanks for finally answering that. It was really starting to bug me.
The funny thing is this is a pretty common reaction among Scientologists, a vague feeling that Scientology has helped make their life better, but in ways that aren't easy to accurately measure.
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Peter Schilte
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:33 pm Post subject:
Re: Delusions versus trolls versus Roadrunner
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| Roadrunner wrote: | Hi,
In the last few days there have been some developments. This post is just an attempt to address some of the significances of it.
| entheta wrote: | | I confess, I fed that babbling troll too... it's hard not to, when it APPEARS to be a discussion. My apologies for being duped. |
Seeing trolls appear to be synonym with seeing Martians. Various things are just stated, but never supported with some proper supported argumentation or for that matter logic. Thus you simply kill the communication rather effectively. Now we can confidently go elsewhere!
Something has become uncomfortable. There is this person. You imagine some things and then you say: "It's a troll!". Then in choir we repeat: "Yeah, it's a troll", followed by "Don't feed the troll!". See how it works?
| Quote: | | Since it's hard to allow RR's words to stand as if they are un-answered, yet we know it's pointless to try to discuss things with RR, I propose that a similar disclaimer post be put up immediately after each RR post. |
My friend it requires INTELLIGENCE, that appears to be at least one of the problems. Various did actually write as if I would be very intelligent , I should write more simple, some have responded.
But it is just easier and more comfortable to just call something else being the reason. But how one has come to the conclusion, now this gets never explained deductively.
| Quote: | Something to the effect of:
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Dear Readers of OCMB: We, the undersigned members of OCMB, choose not to engage in discussions with this poster, because we have concluded this poster is a troll; meaning, his intentions here are not to have a meaningful or productive debate, but rather to smear other posters with illogical attacks, to put forth untenable endorsements of the CoS, or to draw attention away from other threads. Thus, we choose not to engage this person in debates, because he has demonstrated a nearly complete lack of consideration of external points of view, and consistently refuses to answer simple, straightforward questions in an honest or productive manner. |
The delusion is astounding, but is nothing to worry about. It makes it quite clear with what kind of people one is dealing then. It is not so surprising to see that these advocate against the subject of Scientology, about everything is violated and ignored (in particular socalled debating rules). It is not the people that are at blame, no no no it is the subject they tell (or both). But one appears utterly unable to discuss the subject more seriously at about ANY level. It very quickly turns to tirades of invalidations and blind statements lacking any previous deductable evaluation nor logic. This is what commonly is referred to as suffering from delusions. The main typical trait being accusing others of the things one is obviously guilty of himself.
The repute of this forum (or rather of a variety of the present regular posters), has been damaged accurately just by some of its members. Knowledgeable persons to which one has no effective answers are just called trolls. One person says so and the rest simply follows. The agreement grows because it is convenient. It appears that it is considered fun to demolish persons of another opinion with these tirades of consistent invalidations. Nonetheless one utters protest (or rather claim this) to Fair Game and Disconnection practices of some other organization, but in the very same breath apply it ourselves to those that do not conform to us!
See, people are exposed by their behaviour, they always are, it never fails. Why? Basically because people suffering of delusions do not see, they can not evaluate, they choose the easy way out. They will resort to any means to remain in that adopted delusion, in that cult of their own choice and creation. If you read between the lines you may see them saying, I am safe in my cocoon, please let me be there. In the end they may become rather desperate about it, then the delusion really falls into place. Then there is no way of return.
And the group or cult has been created, but we don't call it that.
Indeed you are free to respond as you see fit as this poster says. He also writes: "We feel it is not.". Note that it says "we". Now we have an advocate to speak for all of us. Now we can build our cult or add to the already existing one.
The thread that I created:
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=25753
At present 226 posts, and over 5,524 hits on the thread (and ever rising). Not so bad for just a few days.
Then a thread was created just for me (the Warner Bros character)
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=25804
At present 67 posts, and over 1,571 hits on the thread.
It's all about supposed trolls.
Then it was noted on ESMB (Ex-Scientology Message Board), which gave some interesting replies from various.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=4552
These threads actually will provide for interesting studies of human behaviour.
If one wishes to fight injustices exercised by some claimed organization it requires that one educates people. This is basically the only way to terminatedly handle an unwanted situation. It requires a proper evaluation. What is the situation and for all what is causing it. One needs to become cause, one needs to become independent. One however doesn't get anywhere with staying in some self-created cocoon and join another cult (which you don't call as such, part of the delusion).
Now what have we seen happening? Nonetheless I am blindly accused of doing the opposite. In fact my only purpose could said to be this very education. So do people around here then wish to be educated themselves? It does not appear so.
| Quote: | what do you all think? too much? we'll call it a group FART?
well, anyway, thanks Natty, for the great thread, love your sense of humor. Good night all |
Indeed good morning to all!
Mind this though:
“The common denominator of a group is the reactive bank. Thetans without banks have different responses. They only have their banks in common. They agree then only on bank principles. Person to person the bank is identical. So constructive ideas are individual and seldom get broad agreement in a human group. An individual must rise above an avid craving for agreement from a humanoid group to get anything decent done.” LRH
(from HCO PL 7 Feb 65 “Keeping Scientology Working”)
All this is not written for the true trolls around here. It is not. But some who read these lines will respond to themselves.
But not to worry, I have said most I wanted to say here. I will however remain to be my intent to educate. Understanding is the only thing that gets us permanently out of our little cocoon, our 'safe' place. See the little www button somewhere below here. There is this chapter about 'Scientology in the media and on the Internet'.
See, I am just holding up a mirror. Dare to look into it.
Kind regards and best wishes,
RR |
RR, first I like to point at a little detail:
You hold the mirror back to front.
Second:
| Quote: | “The common denominator of a group is the reactive bank. Thetans without banks have different responses. They only have their banks in common. They agree then only on bank principles. Person to person the bank is identical. So constructive ideas are individual and seldom get broad agreement in a human group. An individual must rise above an avid craving for agreement from a humanoid group to get anything decent done.” LRH
(from HCO PL 7 Feb 65 “Keeping Scientology Working”) |
AFAIK there is NO scientific evidence that this "reactive bank", made up by Hubbard to impress gullible people and to "explain" his never proved theories, exists.
Peter Schilte
P.S.
You probably wont read this, but nevertheless I post it.
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Roadrunner
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| Tsar von Humbug wrote: | Thanks for finally answering that. It was really starting to bug me.
The funny thing is this is a pretty common reaction among Scientologists, a vague feeling that Scientology has helped make their life better, but in ways that aren't easy to accurately measure. |
Keep in mind 'practical philosophy'. Take a thing as simple as for example the Doubt formula. Just a tool to put the anti and pro criteria on a list and make a decision which is best or most survival in your opinion. And this doesn't mean this did not existed prior to Scientology. It does not mean that and it is not claimed to be that either. Just a simple minor example of practical use. Put together in a sequence of various other socalled Conditions.
Regards,
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Roadrunner
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject:
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| Navy wrote: | RR, first I like to point at a little detail:
You hold the mirror back to front. |
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Second:
“The common denominator of a group is the reactive bank. Thetans without banks have different responses. They only have their banks in common. They agree then only on bank principles. Person to person the bank is identical. So constructive ideas are individual and seldom get broad agreement in a human group. An individual must rise above an avid craving for agreement from a humanoid group to get anything decent done.” LRH
(from HCO PL 7 Feb 65 “Keeping Scientology Working”) |
AFAIK there is NO scientific evidence that this "reactive bank", made up by Hubbard to impress gullible people and to "explain" his never proved theories, exists. |
Stimulus-respons behaviour of people adequately proves its existence. If there was no such thing we would make rational decisions. Fact is we don't. If you observe yourself you can watch yourself associate. We operate by association. The unconscious association predicts irrational behaviour. Irrational behaviour then proves the existence of something 'reactive' that works and acts outside of our awareness.
In fact this is simple psycho therapy priniciples. Also simple mathematics.
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Tsar von Humbug
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| Roadrunner wrote: | | Keep in mind 'practical philosophy'. Take a thing as simple as for example the Doubt formula. Just a tool to put the anti and pro criteria on a list and make a decision which is best or most survival in your opinion. And this doesn't mean this did not existed prior to Scientology. It does not mean that and it is not claimed to be that either. Just a simple minor example of practical use. Put together in a sequence of various other socalled Conditions. |
This seems quite fair - in making a decision, evaluate the benefits of the alternatives, and go with the one that offers most benefits. Obviously to do that, you need to understand as much about the different options as possible. Really, then, to make a good decision, you'll need all the information available about all the various options.
Now consider, for a person interested in deciding whether they should pursue Scientology or not, how would they apply the doubt formula? Not easily, because Scientology does not tell people up front what it is that Scientology is, you have to learn in little steps, bit by bit. Isn't this a little bit strange, that you can't do a doubt formula for Scientology?
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| Tsar von Humbug wrote: | | Roadrunner wrote: | | Keep in mind 'practical philosophy'. Take a thing as simple as for example the Doubt formula. Just a tool to put the anti and pro criteria on a list and make a decision which is best or most survival in your opinion. And this doesn't mean this did not existed prior to Scientology. It does not mean that and it is not claimed to be that either. Just a simple minor example of practical use. Put together in a sequence of various other socalled Conditions. |
This seems quite fair - in making a decision, evaluate the benefits of the alternatives, and go with the one that offers most benefits. Obviously to do that, you need to understand as much about the different options as possible. Really, then, to make a good decision, you'll need all the information available about all the various options. |
Yesyes, the tool is not the answer, but enables you to find the answer more easily.
| Quote: | | Now consider, for a person interested in deciding whether they should pursue Scientology or not, how would they apply the doubt formula? Not easily, because Scientology does not tell people up front what it is that Scientology is, you have to learn in little steps, bit by bit. Isn't this a little bit strange, that you can't do a doubt formula for Scientology? |
First thing would be to find out which is part of Scientology and which is not. Then also to determine which is people's doing and which is the subject of Scientology. All this can also be done while using this Doubt formula tool.
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"Seeing trolls appear to be synonym with seeing Martians.
Various things are just stated, but never supported with
some proper supported argumentation or for that matter
logic." - Roadrunner
I agree Roadrunner.
Hubbard talked about Martians "but never supported with
some proper supported argumentation or for that matter
logic."
+++++++++Sacred Cult Scripture++++++++++++++++++
And the name of this solar system is Space Station 33.
And they started to use this area without suspecting that the 4th
Invader Force had been there for God knows how many 'scillion' years.
They have various installations up on Mars and they have tremendous
screened operations. The martian operation is a fascinating operation
simply because it has gone into 100 % holding force. And it does
everything it does with tremendous 'coversion'. It's sitting behind a
defense screen of enormous size. And nobody...it's practically
impossible to penetrate that except as a thetan. And if you penetrate as
a thetan you go through the martian screen and they 'gotcha'.
- L. Ron Hubbard, "Role of Earth"
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Roadrunner
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| Hubbard's Mushroom wrote: | "Seeing trolls appear to be synonym with seeing Martians.
Various things are just stated, but never supported with
some proper supported argumentation or for that matter
logic." - Roadrunner
I agree Roadrunner.
Hubbard talked about Martians "but never supported with
some proper supported argumentation or for that matter
logic." |
Would this be an attempt to disrupt this thread? You see, it is about various that has been claimed or stated about me. Can see this? Now would this turn you into a troll per your definition? You do adjust the topic.
Nonetheless I will respond to your query. You need to establish what that lecture is about. What is the purpose of it. Who is it addressed to. And more of these things.
Regards,
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"You see, it is about various that has been claimed or
stated about me." - Roadrunner
It is all about ME ME ME ME ME ME because
I'm an egotistical self important Homo Novis scientologist!!!!!!!!!! |
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