sea organization Holding Passports

[Wieber]

In Arnie's thread on what is going on at 'flag' he brings up the subject of passports. We have known about this for some time.

What happens is the sea organization takes people from countries to different countries and then takes away their passports. That turns them into prisoners because they can't get their passports back and they fear reprisals from the country they are in. (If I didn't state that well enough, feel free to rephrase it.)

This behavior on the part of the cult, I'm sure, takes place everywhere in the world. It probably happens with a larger number of people in Clearwater, Florida and in Los Angeles.

Arnie suggested a picket sign with a phone number for pickets and that's good. Are there other things that can be done about this?

Personally I have no clue whatsoever on laws about what to do about being in a foreign country and losing a passport. Although if I were in a foreign country and lost my passport I would contact the nearest embassy or consulate to find out what to do about it.

I can think of a number of things to do with the information of what to do should someone leave scientology without their passport.

A web page with instructions about what to do about this could be constructed and posted somewhere. Then Andreas, Arnie and others could link to it and direct attention to it.

Very brief instructions could be put on business cards. Maybe could put up as a pdf file so people could use it with those business card sheets you can get.

I'm just throwing out some ideas here. Beyond that I really don't know what to do about this, but I think there are enough people associated with the Bake that can supply the needed information and set up ways of using it. So how about it?
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[Little Bear Victor]

Embassies and consulates are good. Depending on the country you can get a new temporary passport within days or even withing minutes, if you have an ID and can convince them it is an emergency. It is going to be more tricky if you are not in a location that has an embassy or consulate of your country.
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[Wieber]

Let me guess. There aren't any consulates for any countries within five hundred miles of Clearwater?

How about LA?

A list of all the consulates, including contact information, within easy distance of sea organization facilities would be useful to have then. A new thread on this is in order. I'll start it.

Please, keep any ideas on this coming in - even if you think your idea is unproductive - it may have the seeds of something good.
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[Don Carlo]

If a foreign CoS worker went to any police car, or police station, and said CoS was holding his passport, wouldn't the police MAKE CoS give it back?

Of course the worker would still have to face having no money and having to leave the country because he's no longer a religious worker. This is where the nearest consulate for his native country could help. These consulates exist to help their fellow countrymen who are in a pickle.

Los Angeles Consulates: Almost every country has a Los Angeles consulate. Google:
"Los Angeles" & consulate & Italy
or whatever your country's name.

Tampa Consulates:

Consulate of Panama
(813) 283-0063
1101 Channelside Dr, Tampa, FL

Consulate General of Greece
(813) 865-0200
601 Bayshore Blvd, Tampa, FL

3. Consulate of Norway
(813) 247-4550
1803 Eastport Dr, Tampa, FL

4. Consulate of Costa Rica
(813) 248-6741
2200 Barker Rd, Tampa, FL

5. Consulate General of Republic (?)
(813) 831-6685
4326 W El Prado Blvd, #4, Tampa, FL

US Border Patrol
(813) 228-2160
1821 E Selman Dr, Tampa, FL

Consulate of Peru
(813) 933-7318
2312 W Waters Ave , Tampa, FL

If you're from Clearwater, and your country doesn't have a Tampa consulate, Google:
Miami & consulate & Italy
or whatever your country's name.
The Miami consulate should help everyone from their country who is in difficulty in Florida.

[Judith Anderson]

I've been googling up some info here and there about illegally confiscating passports - it's tied into International Law and on par with "trafficking in persons" i.e., a form of enslavement. In this country only a government offical can confiscate a passport for either a citizen or non-citizen. So it's totally illegal. I don't know what the penalty is but I'm sure it is severe. If they get caught, Davey will probably act like he knew nothing about it and blame his underlings in the S.O. But, somehow, I don't think he will get away with it this time. They are going to be in such deep shit.

[NattyP]

Just wondering about this....

If a $cientologist say, jaywalks, and a peace officer stops him or her and asks for I.D., what does this $cientologist, whose passport has been confiscated, produce?

What is the consequence of not being able to produce ID?

If the cop stops me and I'm a national with an Age of Majority card or a state-issued driver's license, the cop can look me up on his or her car computer and have a picture of me ON an image of my license in minutes.

What happens to the Bolivian Ronbot who, without a passport, jaywalks?
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[Judith Anderson]

He would probably be held for questioning and asked if he has a passport and then the next question would be where is it and who is holding it. Either he will lie like a dutiful little Scientologist to cover up for the cult or spill it out. Either way, somebody will be in deep shit.

[Wieber]

Are foreign sea organization staff members drilled with a "shore story" to account for not having a passport?

Are foreign sea organization staff members allowed to be in a position to jay walk?

What is the most numerous foreign nationality in the sea organization in Clearwater?

What is the most numerous foreign nationality in the sea organization in Los Angeles?
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[Sea Horse]

[Ladybird]

Are foreign sea organization staff members drilled with a "shore story" to account for not having a passport?

"For my own safety and security my legal documents are being taken care of by my sponsor ." They will lie and cover up and take the blame for being out with no ID.

Are foreign sea organization staff members allowed to be in a position to jay walk?

Usually not, and in fact we were drilled in local laws such as jaywalking. Nowadays, staff are not allowed to drive or walk around but are shuttled on busses. But back in the good old days, if any one got in trouble for anything they were sent to ethics for "pulling it in."

What is the most numerous foreign nationality in the sea organization in Clearwater?

What is the most numerous foreign nationality in the sea organization in Los Angeles?

This goes in waves, depending on which country has easy INS approval. Right now, it seems a lot of asian, slavic and middle eastern names appear on completion lists, whereas in recent times there were more South American, African and southern European. 90's, Mexican, Indian, asian, Russian and African. In the 80's, there were more Australians, UK, Danish, German, South African, etc.
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[Wieber]

Thanks Ladybird.

That's not the answer I wanted for the questions about the most numerous foreign nationalities but that's OK.

I was hoping to identify one or two nationalities/languages. It would then be an easy matter to identify the nearest consulate for that nationality and translate:

For Help
With Your
Passport
555-555-5555

Where the 5s are replaced with the number for the nearest consulate.

This could then go on some signs during a picket in the hope that some of the inmates would see it.

So it's going to take a little more effort.

Another aspect of this would be to get the authorities to grant refugee status to any of the foreign nationals leaving the various sea organization facilities.

Well, I'm sitting here stumped. Anyone want to jump in and help crack this nut?
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[Ladybird]

Look at the completion lists by name at (for example):

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/stats-name-search.html?searchname=wiseman

Or click on any of the magazines listed by year and by Organization and do an analysis of the ethnicity of the names. Please note, no sea org or staff completions are listed, but outer org students are counted and listed as they are paid completions for Flag and PAC. Much of what I see here are 2nd generation scientologists and outer org trainees. Lots and lots of scientologists will be found numerous times on these lists, repeating the PTS/SP course for the Nth time. Google "Terbush" for one...

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/source/
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[Ladybird]

Alrighty then Wieber. Here ya go! You might have to scroll down a bit, hope that doesn't hurt your thumb.

US department of State religious visa page: (see section (m))


http://uscis.gov/lpBin/lpext.dll/inserts/slb/slb-1/slb-9974/slb-12541...


http://pjclaw.net/index.html


1. Who can apply for a religious worker visa?


Religious worker visas are available to people coming to work for a
religious organization in the United States as a minister, in a
religious professional capacity, or in a religious vocation or
occupation. "Ministers" are individuals authorized by a recognized
religious denomination to conduct religious worship and perform other
duties normally performed by the clergy.


"Professional capacity" means that the position the individual will be
working in requires at least a bachelor's degree.


A "religious occupation" is any activity which relates to a
traditional religious function. Persons in a religious occupation
include liturgical workers, religious instructors, missionaries,
religious counselors, workers in religious hospitals or health
facilities, cantors, catechists, or religious broadcasters, but not
janitors, clerks, or persons involved solely in the solicitation of
donations.


A "religious vocation" is a calling to religious life evidenced by the
demonstration of a commitment practiced in the religious denomination,
such as the taking of vows.


4. How much do I need to be paid?


There is no set answer to this question. To qualify for the visa, the
applicant must show that he or she will not become a public charge, that is, rely on
assistance from the government. That means that the sponsoring organization
must offer to cover all the applicant's expenses (as in a religious order, for
example) or to compensate the applicant sufficiently.


Although there is no stated minimum salary for religious workers, my
office generally recommends individuals receive compensation worth
125% of the federal poverty guidelines, or about $12,000 for one
person.


5. Can I work in a second job in addition to my religious occupation?


R-1 status only allows you to work for the sponsoring organization;
outside employment is not permitted. However, it is possible to have
two or more organizations of the same denomination sponsor you for
part-time work with each organization.


Once you obtain permanent residence, you can work outside of the
sponsoring organization.


8. What is the process for obtaining the visa?


R-1 nonimmigrant status. If you are outside of the United States, you
do not need to file a petition ahead of time. You simply take the
supporting documents to a US consulate to apply for the visa.


If you are already in the United States on a different nonimmigrant
visa, the sponsoring organization files a petition to change your
status to R-1 religious worker and extend your stay.


Permanent residence. Whether you are in the United States or abroad,
the sponsoring organization begins the process by filing the immigrant
visa petition with a CIS service center. Once the petition is
approved, you file an application for permanent residence with CIS, if
in the United States, or, if abroad, apply for an immigrant visa with
a US consulate. You become a permanent resident once you enter the
United States with the immigrant visa.


10. What if I am out of status?


If you are out of status (i.e., you have overstayed your visa or you
entered without one), in most cases you cannot change status to R-1
religious worker or adjust status to permanent resident. You may be
successful by returning to your country to apply for the religious
worker visa, but there are serious penalties for staying in the United
States illegally. It's recommended to speak to a lawyer before
choosing this course of action.


If you were the beneficiary of an immigrant visa petition (I-130 or
I-140) or labor certification before April 30, 2001, you may be able
to adjust status to permanent residence under section 245(i).


List of recent RPF Members in Los Angeles by Country and their Embassies


Australia or New Zealand
Allen, Elaine
Allsop, Cameron
Anderson, Terri
Codd, Clyde
Eves, Cherie
Eves, Mike
Eves, Paul
Frazer, Bernice
Furness, Wayne
McClintock, Malcolm
Pearse, Kylea-Rose (possibly born in US)
Pouw, Anthony
Tweedy, Prudence
Wallace, Liz
Watson, Jane
Wills, Steve


Australian embassy in Washington D.C.
http://www.austemb.org/
E-mail: public.affa...@austemb.org


US embassy in Melbourne:
http://usembassy-australia.state.gov/sydney/


New Zealand embassy in US:
http://www.nzembassy.com/home.cfm?CFID=117052&CFTOKEN=15163500&c=31&l=86
E-mail: n...@nzemb.org


US embassy in New Zealand
http://usembassy.org.nz/


Canada
Anderson, Paul
Anderson, Phil
Baxter, Arthur -- (Canada or US)
DeRudder, Isabelle.
Dubreuil, Joelle
Homier, Claude
Maday, Martin
Piche, Gilles
Robitaille, Phillipe


Canada embassy in US:
http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/world/embassies/cra-en.asp
E-mail: enqs...@dfait-maeci.gc.ca


US embassy in Ottawa:
http://www.usembassycanada.gov/content/index.asp


Denmark
Heldt, Birthe
Wheelis, Majbritt


Danish embassy in US
http://www.denmarkemb.org/
E-mail: was...@um.dk


US embassy in Copenhagen
http://www.usembassy.dk/


France
Besnard, Jean Yves
Gouessan, Alain
Heinzel, Marie-Alice
Homier, Dominique
Lefevre, Vincent
Soendker, Patricia


French embassy in US:
http://www.info-france-usa.org/
E-mail: i...@amb-wash.fr


US embassy in Paris:
http://www.amb-usa.fr/


Germany
Alexander, Tanya
Dossenbach, Rico
Gutensberger, Irene
Mottl, Berndt
Mueller, Jurgen
Peschken, Sabine
Stuckenbrock, Sasha -- born US?
Stuckenbrock, Uwe


German embassy in US:
http://www.germany-info.org/relaunch/info/missions/consulates/losange...
geles.html
E-mail: losange...@germanconsulate.org


US embassy in Hamburg:
http://hamburg.usconsulate.gov/


Greece
Nossis, Kettie


Greece embassy in Washington D.C:
http://www.asinah.net/greeceembassies.html
E-mail : gre...@greekembassy.org


US embassy in Athens:
http://athens.usembassy.gov/


Italy
Bertinato, Emilio
Cornu, Patrizia
Corrias, Nicola
Di Ieva, Marco
Frau, Francesco
Galbiati, Matteo
Landini, Giovanna
Lesevre (Sechi), Vanella
Scudellari, Gigi
Startari, Stefania


Italian embassy in Washington D.C.
http://www.italyemb.org/
E-mail: sta...@itwash.org


US embassy in Rome:
http://www.usembassy.it/


Mexico
Aristi, Alfonso
Contreras, Griselda -- Mexico (or other South American country)
Avila, Felipe -- Mexico (or other South American country.)
Bervera, Ismael
Cabral, Miriam
Diaz, Dora Luz
Diaz, Luz Ester
Gomez, Alejandro
Ibarra, Dharma
Macias, Marianna
Marmolejo, Ricardo
Ramirez, Isi
Santos, Florencia
Torres Carlos


Mexican embassy in US:
http://www.embassyofmexico.org/
E-mail: through web site page above


US embassy in Mexico:
http://mexico.usembassy.gov/emenu.html


Portugal
Freire, Rui


Portuguese embassy in Washington D.C.
http://www.traveldocs.com/pt/embassy.htm
Consulates:
D.C: Telephone: 1- (202) 328-8610
Fax: 1- (202) 462-3726
Los Angeles: 1- (310) 277-1491
San Francisco: 1- (415) 346-3400
New York: 1- (212) 246-4580
US embassy in Lisbon:
http://www.american-embassy.pt/


Russia
Dolgov, Vadim


Russian embassy in US:
http://www.russianembassy.biz/usa-san-francisco.htm
E-mail: consu...@ix.netcom.com


US embassy in Moscow:
http://moscow.usembassy.gov/


South Africa
Hogarth, Sheldon
Murton, Candy
Smith, Stan
Southworth, Gailynn
Southworth, Kashanka


South African embassy in US:
http://www.link2southafrica.com/Consulate.html
E-mail: sac...@link2sa.com


US embassy in Pretoria:


Sweden
Asplund, Lars
Karlsson, Lennart
Konneus, Leif
Lindstein - Billy
Lindstein, Mariette


Swedish embassy in US:
http://www.swedenabroad.com/pages/start____7928.asp
E-mail: generalkonsulat.new-y...@foreign.ministry.se


US embassy in Stockholm:
http://stockholm.usembassy.gov/


Switzerland
Bersier, Jean Phillipe
Bieg, Patrik
Fallegger, Maria
Gahwiler, Matthis
Huber, Noldi
Sanz Polo Francisco
Sporri, Caroline
Sporri, Urs
Stark, Marco
Welch, Simone


Swiss consulate in US:
http://www.eda.admin.ch/washington_emb/e/home.html
E-mail: v...@was.rep.admin.ch & vertret...@sfr.rep.admin.ch


US embassy in Bern:
http://www.usembassy.ch/


United Kingdom
Aczel, John
Biggs, Petal
Cusworth, Derek
Didcoate, Jamie
Didcoate, Kathy
Didcoate, Richard
Donohue, Rachel
Jansen, Jan
McQuade, Brenda
Mellor Miles
Mousell, Sheldon
Mustard, Caroline
Parkin, Edward
Stumbke, Peter
Welch Richard
Whittaker, Hodl


UK embassy in Los Angeles:
http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/Sho...
E-mail: visas.losange...@fco.gov.uk


US embassy in London:
http://www.usembassy.org.uk/


Venezuela
Alvarez, Hender
Morillo, Elvia -- (or Mexico)


Venezuela embassy in US:
http://www.embavenez-us.org/
E-mail: venec...@aol.com


US embassy in Caracas:
http://embajadausa.org.ve/


For a full list of all the US Embassies and Consulates, see:
http://usembassy.state.gov/


United States
(For the record, the following are current or recent RPF members from the US)


Akiyama, Roger
Anderson, Brian
Arneson, Torren
Ashworth, Pat
Atwood, Ben
Beatty, Chuck
Belcastro, Ivan
Bennick Jason
Bennick Susy
Bersier, Kathy
Berther, Mark -- aka "Brodie"
Boykin, Steve
Brandis, Tom
Brefka, Skylar
Brefka, Wendy
Briggs Sarah
Bush, Diane
Caldwell Reggie
Caneen, Joe
Castle, Stefan
Cook, Peter
Copelan, Laurel
Champagne, Eileen
Christiansen, Tia
Croteau, Yvette
Crowther, Gigi
Danilovich, Micho
Davies, Kenny
Davies, Leelan
Decrescenzo, Laura
Deichman, Chip
Dezotell, Paul
Dhoi, Dennis
Dippel, Karen
Dynes, Alexis
Dynes, Nathan
Edwards, James
Ellison, Bill
Emenau, Mark.
Epstein, Jonno
Epstein, Leslie
Faulkner, Jon-Paul
Fiandica, Doug
Gambino, Jenny
Garth, Colwell
Gibson, Margaret
Gilbert Josh
Graham, Jill -- (deceased)
Greve, Ryan
Griffin, John
Herzer, Cheryl
Hoden, Ken
Hoden, Lisa
Hooper, Mark
Howson, David
Hubbert, Pam
Juss, Brian
Karbowski, Ted
Kimoto, Shannon
Knight, Cat
Lane, Andrea
Lerner (Thompson) Sue
Lev, Nir
Lewis, Lisa
Lizer, Mark
Llewellyn Gil
Long, Ken
Magnusson, Birdie
Magnusson, Jesse
Mallen, Mike
McKinstrey, Mark
Miller, Gary
Morrisette, Chris
Mottl, Rena
Muller, Doug
Muller, Zerrin
Musselman, Scott
Nunnellee, Richard
Oakes, Carole
Ondreika, Kathy
Ondreika, Tom
Ortman, Mark
Osborne, Theron
Parodi, Micha
Parz, Callie
Percy, Kali
Perrin Steve
Price, Bill
Przybylski, Dan
Redmon, Rebecca
Reiss, Jesse
Rosenstein Marco
Rowe, Lallah
Runyon Diana
Seagal, Ron
Searing, Tony
Selle, Erin
Sereda, Linda
Shapiro, Ken
Shay, Gary
Sheer, Ted
Shermerhorn, Tom
Sims, Patty
Sinclair, Fred
Smith, Eric
Smith, Julia
Stein, Barry.
Stilo, Donna
Stracener, Colby
Sumner, Cindy
Supak Tom
Szoke, Marlana
Szombathy, Imre
Tinat, Justin
Townsend, Sheri
Trent, Vincent
Updegrove, Charlie
Updegrove, Patty
Vandersall, Mel
Walimaa, Tyler
Weber, Jeff
Weibert, Kari
Weiland, Janet
Weissman, Pam
Welte, Dieter
Wheelis, Alec
Whitta, Denise
Wilbur, Sarah
Willett Lee
Williams, Russ
Woodcraft, Matt
Woodruff, Henry
Young Joanne
Zerbini, Linda
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"There is nothing as wild in the books of Man as will probably happen here on Earth...it will happen and be allowed to happen simply because all this is so incredible that nobody will even think of stopping it until it is far, far too late"~LRH

[Ladybird]

Wieber and AnonMomAnon: please take note!

[AnonMomAnon]