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Fishdaddy

Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 107
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:37 am Post subject:
Violence at the Int Base
Subject description: An inside look at physical abuse in organized Scientology
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Thanks to Andreas for expediting my OCMB access. Many of you will have heard my interview on Tom Smith’s “The Edge” radio show, regarding, among other things, violence at the Int Base.
I’ve had a lot of comments about the show, Some old timers, who left the Sea Org many years ago, said that they never experienced physical abuse in the Sea Org. Well, I hadn’t either, up to 2002. I believe this is a fairly recent trend, at least to the degree it is practiced now.
I worked at the Int Base for about 15 years before I encountered DM’s violence. I never knew that DM physically assaulted staff. It’s a well kept secret, even at the Base. It isn’t talked about. It was only when I began to regularly attends meetings with him that I discovered that he does assault staff, and viciously. Over the last few years I was there, it was getting increasingly worse.
I first became aware of this in June 2002. I was called up to the CMO Int Conference room (which is now “The SP Hall”). I had submitted a script a few days prior to this, so I knew that’s what the meeting was about. When I arrived at the conference room, it was packed – there must have been 40 executives there – most of WDC and Exec Strata, as well as key Gold execs. Everyone was crowded around one side of the big conference table, leaving the other side for DM. After the usual half hour or so wait, DM arrived, and he was fuming. He hated the script, and proceeded to mercilessly make fun of it and me. He strutted back and forth, and demanded that I “confess my crimes.” Obviously I was a criminal since I had submitted such a criminal script. And he was obsessed with my facial expression (and I subsequently discovered that he is obsessed with people’s facial expressions when they are in his presence – if you’ve read 1984, it’s what Orwell describes in that book as “facecrime.”) “Look how he looks at me!” he would shout. And the rest of the execs in the room, completely cowed by this, would be telling me to “knock it off,” having no idea, I am sure, what he was talking about.
Suddenly, and without warning, he leapt up on the conference room table and launched himself at me. He slammed me up against a wooden partition and proceeded to hit me in the face. Then he threw me to the floor. I was in complete shock. I ended up laying on the floor with my legs entangled in his. “Let go of my legs!” he screamed. I did. Then he walked out of the room.
I was shaking, my shirt was torn, and my face stinging. An exec near me said “Get up, get up – don’t make him WRONG.” Imagine that. I’ve just been assaulted by the Chairman of the Board RTC, the head of Scientology, and all they can think of is to “not make him wrong.”
Needless to say, I was the Ethics target – of course. I was put on the decks. And of course, I never spoke about this to the general staff. My wife asked me why my face was scratched and bruised, and I said I had fallen down. At this point, I was 56 years old.
Over the next few years, the assaults continued. He assaulted me and others. Once he violently and repeatedly slapped me on the side of the head, until my ears were ringing, then proceeded to hit Mike Rinder and then throw Marc Yager to the ground. I once saw him attack Lyman Spurlock, and older man many years his senior. I saw him throw Mike Rinder off a chair onto the ground (And good on you, Mike, for leaving).
Once when I was up in the “RTC Building” (Building 50), taking a tour of the place with other execs, DM was passing me as he left one of the rooms and suddenly, without warning, rabbit-punched me in the stomach. He then said “I can smell Black PR a mile away,” and walked off. I tried to reply but I literally could not speak of breathe for a few seconds.
Another time, he hit me several times in the face and actually drew blood. He signaled to his assistant, Laurisse (“Lou”) Stuckenbrock, and she produced a vial of mercurochrome from her purse and proceeded to dab it on my face. Like, this was business as usual. He said to me at the time, “You know why I beat you up?” I said “No, Sir.” He said “To show you who’s boss.” He literally said this.
Another time he was talking to myself and Rick Cruzen, and he said, “Look at him (meaning me - he loves to talk about people as if they are not there). He’d like to take a swing at me. And you know what? I hope he does. Because then I could REALLY unload on him.” Exact quote.
Of course, other staff picked up on this and the worst of them began imitating DM and beating up their own staff and juniors. Henning Bendorff, the “Art Director Gold” was one of the worst. His standard way of greeting me was to come up behind me and violently shove my face into my computer keyboard. Once he threw me off a chair and I ended up bleeding from the nose. What a stellar example of a “Scientologist.”
DM never hit women, to my knowledge. But he would goad women execs into hitting women staff. The most willing of these was Lisa Allen (Schroer), who has been on-and-off CO Gold for a number of years. She’s arrogant and vicious – the perfect DM tool. She once slapped my wife at the time hard in the face. This was the type of person DM promoted and lauded – those willing to follow his lead in the abuse of staff. Janet Light (McLaughlin), ED of the IAS, also began hitting staff, following DM’s example.
In the last year I was there, the violence at the Base was escalating, due to DM’s example and pressure on execs to imitate that example. When I was finally marked for “offload from the Sea Org” I not only didn’t fight it, but looked forward to it. I had worked for 30 years to create what I conceived to be “a Scientology World.” In my mind, that was a place of communication, love and tolerance. But when I finally saw the reality of a “Scientology World” at the Int Base, I realized it was an abusive prison. And that IS what the world would be like if organized Scientology ever got a foothold – lockstep compliance to authority, and abuse and imprisonment for anyone who questions that authority.
Some have asked, “why do people put up with this?” Well, I’ll tell you. First, there are always dozens of staff and executives around – any one of them would intervene if you tried anything – to curry favor with DM. Secondly, any attempt to fight back would mean instant offload. Instant. And you can say “that’s a good thing,” and it is, from our viewpoint on the outside. But if you’re a dedicated Scientologist, that means losing everything – your group, your friends, your spouse or children, not to mention what you conceive to be “your eternal salvation.” I touched on this in the radio interview.
DM is your typical bully – a coward who only fights those who cannot fight back.
All this is a bit long and rambling, but I hope it gives you some insight into the violence. More to come on many other subjects.
Jeff |
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antiscn

Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 1041
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:44 am Post subject:
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Great post.The public is slowly becoming aware of who David Miscavige is through all of TC's press and the general interest in Scientology that is emerging.
People need to know about this guy's behaviour-it shows exactly how deep the corruption is in CoS-right to the core. _________________ Posted from the 'grassy knoll' of the internet.
New Brighton Anon Forum:
http://brightonanon.com/forums
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exstaff

Joined: 29 Sep 2007 Posts: 578
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:16 am Post subject:
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An incredible post Jeff... you need to get up the strength, set aside an afternoon and go to the FBI and file a report with them... Don't worry about the "limitations" on when it happened... you need to go see them and file a report... they will help you file the correct one... GO see them soon as you can...ok? Your testimony and evidence is needed desperately by the government...as soon as you can...
The torture and felonies has to end...
DM + TC = Days of Thunder are numbered...
WDC & the INT EXECS = too scared to move...
 _________________ We do not forgive,
We do not forget,
We will not relent,
We are legion,
Expect us!
"HEY OSA, your worldwide terrorist organization will be closed sooner than you think..."
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Whitedove

Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 943
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:19 am Post subject:
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Thank you Jeff.
I would say 99% of people that gets into $cientology wants exactly what you were thriving for 'love, tolerance and communication'. Thats why I got into it as well.
Also, I wanted to say to you (I did listen to your radio interview) that you are very courageous. Its not easy to get out in the world and start anew. My hat up to you.
Thank you again.
Whitedove _________________ We are still masters of our fate. We are still captains of our souls. - Winston Churchill |
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admin Site Admin

Joined: 18 Nov 2000 Posts: 1605 Location: Stavanger, Norway
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:29 am Post subject:
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Jeff,
Welcome to OCMB.
I'm curious what kind of subjects trigger DM the most, what is his "buttons"? And how does he talk about, if at all, the critical community out in the "wog world"? Did you ever hear him talk about the Internet or specific critics? _________________ Andreas @ www.xenu.net
- Life is not a test. |
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Kilia

Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 3567 Location: In front of the pc where else would I be?
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:43 am Post subject:
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Hello Jeff...indeed a horrible story to tell..but tell it had to be.
I'm just glad that you are now out and safe.
Blessings to you and your family. _________________ ~*There is courage and strength in numbers*~ |
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opter
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 844
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:01 am Post subject:
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Jeff
Thank you for your powerful and revealing post.
I've also listened to your interveiw on the radio and I applaud your courage and guts.
Looking forward to more of your stories.
I'm so glad you are out.
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Don Carlo
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 4379
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:15 am Post subject:
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Mercurochrome contains MERCURY. Yet Sea Org is still using this outdated antiseptic.
Idiots - do they know it's no longer legal for sale in the US?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercurochrome |
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NattyP

Joined: 15 Apr 2006 Posts: 2094
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:50 am Post subject:
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Jeff,
Greetings to you and WELCOME OUT and to the 'Bake! GOOD ON YOU for getting out.
Your radio interview was intense and spot-on as is the above post...no rambling, sir....just a genuine, heartfelt and experienced point of view about what's happening in Scientology's highest echelon.
I second Andreas' question: What pushes Davey's buttons the hardest? Does he personally read the entheta on this site, others, or in any media?
Does he feel the walls closing in? Is it this perception that you think has escalated the violence in the past 5-6 years?
Do you think he is mentally ill, or merely cruel? Is he a true L. Ron believer, or is he just perpetuating the fraud to fill his Bulgravia bank account?
Where is Shelley? Does he any longer communicate with anyone in his immediate family? Is his Dad still on base?
So glad you're out, man! Many good thoughts coming your way! Thanks for speaking out and posting! WELCOME! _________________ John Carmichael: Are you a homo? Have you come out of the closet?
ANONYMOUS: You're wearing tweed in the summer and you're asking ME if I'm a faggot? Xenu please ...
John Carmichael: What? |
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Ladybird

Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 5388
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:09 am Post subject:
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Welcome Jeff! Thank you so much for speaking out. The world inside the Sea Org is so insane that it is hard for people who were not part of it to understand. With people like you telling their stories and adding to the truth so many have been telling I have renewed hope that we can finally put a stop the abuses of DM and scientology.
All my very best to you,
Ladybird _________________ "There is nothing as wild in the books of Man as will probably happen here on Earth...it will happen and be allowed to happen simply because all this is so incredible that nobody will even think of stopping it until it is far, far too late"~LRH |
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Os Wilkes

Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 2070 Location: cyberspace
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:36 am Post subject:
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Dear Jeff,
If I saw anybody take a poke at a guy half a century of vintage I would have bitten his nads off, and spit em down or up whichever orifice I could most easily access. DM needs to be exposed to wog justice and/or "instant karma".
Thank you for posting here. Not only do you help undress Scientology, but you got my blood pumping- which is always a good thing, considering the alternatives...
Love, Respect & Gratitude,
Os _________________ Latest stuph:
The latest fave video- a blast from the past:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxOmrS6uqVM |
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vongole

Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 253 Location: Teegeeak
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:55 am Post subject:
Fecal Miscavige is crazy
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Wow, Jeff! That's quite an opening post! Thank you for your very non-rambling account of violence at the Int Base and welcome to the board.
I expect that almost everyone who got into Scientology believed that it was going to create a place of | Quote: | | communication, love and tolerance. |
Every time within organized Scientology that I would encounter poor communication, lack of love or intolerance, I would say (or think to myself) - "this is not Scientology."
One assumed (incorrectly as it turned out) that any non optimum behavior - be it bullshit "justice" actions, harsh ethics, favoritism, appalling brown-nosing, crass stupidity, overt promiscuity, criminality - whatever - was simply a result of people not fully understanding and practicing "Scientology."
Haha! Talk about rose-tinted glasses! It would seem that many of us have a certain degree of Utopianism within us; a an innate hope that against all odds and against all evidence a perfect world is possible. Be that is it may, I sure as shit know that Scientology is not the solution!
Your account of COB's violence towards his fellow man is very chilling.
It is quite plain that David "Fecal" Miscavige is batshit insane. Not only is his treatment of his juniors "not Scientology," it is not acceptable behavior in any "church," organization, corporation or family. It is not acceptable behavior anywhere - not even in a Federal Prison - and it is not legal in the US either.
Physical and psychological abuse are not small crimes and are taken very seriously by the authorities.
It comes as no surprise that the man who wrested control of organized Scientology is violent and abusive. It would seem that he regards no one as his equal. I am guessing that since the early Eighties, the ONLY person who has ever bitched him out was Tom "Tonto" Cruise.
I cannot imagine the Dalai Lama beating up his subordinates. I cannot imagine the Grand Metropolitan of Constantinople, the Pope or the Archbishop of Canterbury behaving like that either. Oh - except that those are the heads of real religions. Why does anyone think it is okay for Fecal Miscavige to do so?
Years of unchallenged power and excessive wealth have obviously gone to his head. The winner of a palace coup is always looking over his shoulder for the next assassin... that's why Fecal has to remind people "who's Boss."
Well, he's a violent bully, he's uneducated, he doesn't practice his own "religion" and he's batshit insane. He's no spiritual leader - and his fall is imminent.
The Old Guard, Anon and the Law are all going to bitch slap you, Fecal! _________________ "Dad had an insatiable desire for an awful lot of money... All the money went to Dad." L. Ron Hubbard jr.
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SME

Joined: 08 Mar 2007 Posts: 188
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:10 am Post subject:
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Jeff
Thank you so much for your highly important post and radio show.
I really appreciate what you are doing to help expose these abuses with a view to helping see that they come to an end.
I know Miscavige to have beaten staff from as far back as 1982. You can show it as recently as 2004. That's at least 22 years of it!
I am with you on whatever it takes legally and morally to see this end.
Larry Brennan - SME _________________ My blog: http://larrybren.blogspot.com/
”Lay gentle
Magic baby
Everything’s alright
The pain is gone
There’s naught to fear
Let my arms be your world tonight”.
- from the poem "Birth of a Faery" |
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magoo1

Joined: 24 Jan 2004 Posts: 10229 Location: Burbank, CA, USA
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:26 am Post subject:
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Dear Jeff,
PHEW! Thank you for making that post! I didn't get to hear your show,
do you have a link to it? I'd like to. (Is this the Jeff I met about 1 year
ago at a party? Just curious, as he was beaten by DM also. What a whimpy
JERK DM is!)
re | Quote: | | I’ve had a lot of comments about the show, Some old timers, who left the Sea Org many years ago, said that they never experienced physical abuse in the Sea Org. Well, I hadn’t either, up to 2002. I believe this is a fairly recent trend, at least to the degree it is practiced now. |
This sounds totally correct. I'd never heard of DM hitting anyone until right around that time---well, maybe a year later it took to leak out. Also, other X-Sea Org have made posts about this, too, and it's been recent, you're right.
I think he's following in Ron's footsteps: GOING NUTS. What do you think?
Also, this SP Hall is here in LA at the Complex, right? So aren't almost ALL of his top Execs in the SP Hall? I can hardly believe they'd ALL stay!
Truly----------it's amazing to me, but Hell,
I stayed 30 YEARS! DOH!
Well, good job on getting out!
Thank you for sharing your story.
I'd love to hear more.
My best to you
Tory/Magoo~~ |
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Sponge

Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 8443 Location: U.K.
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