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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:42 am    Post subject: Took her life after Scientology test Reply with quote

FRONT PAGE OF LARGEST NEWSPAPER IN NORWAY TODAY:

"Kaja (20) took her life after Scientology test"



A Norwegian girl has been found dead in France. By her side they found Scientology tests. Kaja was the daughter of a known Norwegian politician, Olav Gunnar Ballo.

http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olav_Gunnar_Ballo

This is straight from the press, more will come. My thoughts and support goes to the family who must be crushed. And now they will also will have the crazy cult after them to do their "damage control". Another tragedy. Sad
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow, theres not a whole lot there that makes sense is there?

i mean i dont speak norwegian, but the idea of a priveledged girl
who isnt even past the assimilation process, not even to the point of
reading dianetics.

and then a frontpage article based on that personality test?
in scandinavia wich is notoriously tolerant towards CoS?
this is their refuge from german 'opression' after all...

i guess this could be explained by the reporter feeling secured by the political force of the parents enuff to do this.

but then this kid kills herself after only a personality test?
ive checked them out a wile ago, and it doesnt read like the catcher in the rye.

so im guessing something must have happened during her evaluation of the test at the local Scilon outpost...

allthoug, i gotta say this again, we MUST stay vigilant against 3rd parties
who would want to use this conflict to their own advantage.
this is a politician, and a lefty.
there are huge fucking monsters that make CoS look like an insignificant
little spider who utterly dispise anything on the left and have a long trackrecord of assasinations and other crimes.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is heartbreaking. pale pukel Brick wall Brick wall
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, where did your post go RR? I was just about to reply.

Well I've waited long enough for a revised one from you so it's lucky I quoted your original before you deleted it.....

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:11 am (GMT)

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Azrael wrote:

wow, theres not a whole lot there that makes sense is there?

i mean i dont speak norwegian, but the idea of a priveledged girl
who isnt even past the assimilation process, not even to the point of
reading dianetics.

and then a frontpage article based on that personality test?
in scandinavia wich is notoriously tolerant towards CoS?
this is their refuge from german 'opression' after all...

i guess this could be explained by the reporter feeling secured by the political force of the parents enuff to do this.

but then this kid kills herself after only a personality test?
ive checked them out a wile ago, and it doesnt read like the catcher in the rye.

so im guessing something must have happened during her evaluation of the test at the local Scilon outpost...

allthoug, i gotta say this again, we MUST stay vigilant against 3rd parties
who would want to use this conflict to their own advantage.
this is a politician, and a lefty.
there are huge fucking monsters that make CoS look like an insignificant
little spider who utterly dispise anything on the left and have a long trackrecord of assasinations and other crimes.


Indeed, I figured the same thing. There is really not much to go on here. Mind that: "... girl has been found dead ... . By her side they found Scientology tests." seems to have been put on one line with "... took her life after Scientology test". Many specifics are lacking.

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Sup RR? Did you realise that it might have looked too much like that cult "damage control" that Andreas mentioned in the OP that you deleted the post? Afterall, we've never heard a squeak out of you for 4 days. No "Fair Game was cancelled blah blah" apologetics since April 11.
Unless you suddenly got to know some "specifics" after you posted. Do tell.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anonangl wrote:
This is heartbreaking. pale pukel Brick wall Brick wall


It is indeed. So young.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

$cientology poses as 'authority' on mental health! - With that something like this can happen...

This is why we need to make everyone aware that they are no authorities. On the contrary they are a scam and they don't have a clue about what they are doing!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just too tragic and sad for words.

You could get really angry over this, but it won't bring her back.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fast translation of main points of the article.

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=505907

NICE/OSLO (VG) For drøye to uker siden tok Kaja Bordevich Ballo (20) sitt eget liv - få timer etter at hun hadde fått et knusende resultat på en personlighetstest i regi av Scientologikirken.
2 weeks ago KBB took her life - few hours ater she had received a devestating result of a personalety test at the church of scientology

Nå gransker politiet i den sørfranske byen Nice - hvor Kaja studerte ved universitetet i Nice i Sophia Antipolis - den omstridte kirkens befatning med saken.
The police in Nice - where Kaja studiet at the University in Sophia Antipolis - are looking into the churchs connection with the case.
...................

Opplysningene VG bringer i dag, er trykket i forståelse med Ballo selv, og resten av Kajas familie.
The information in VG today is printed in understanding with Ballo and the rest of Kajas family.

Opplysningen om Scientologitesten er kjent gjennom prestens tale i begravelsen. Den kan jeg bekrefte. Men på grunn av nærheten i tid til dødsfallet, ønsker jeg ikke å gå inn i, og kommentere andre enkeltheter nå, sier Olav Gunnar Ballo til VG.
The information about the Scientology test is known through the ministers speach at the funeral. I can confirm it. But due to the closeness in time to the dead, I don't want to comment on it, says Olav Gunnar Ballo to VG

Ifølge opplysninger VG har fått, ble koblingen til Scientologene gjort etter at familien fant en ferdig utfylt personlighetstest og scientologikirkens analyse av det de mener er hennes personlighet, inne på Kajas 17 kvm store hybel etter hennes død.
According to information VG has gotten the connection to the scientologists was done after the family found a finished personality test and the church of scientology's analyses of what the mean is her personality, at Kajas apartment after her dead.

Testen var påført klokkeslett og dato: Den var tatt samme dag som dødsfallet. Scientologikirken har lokaler kun få meter unna studenthjemmet hvor Kaja bodde.
The test had time and date on it: It was done on the same day as her dead. The church of Scientology has rooms just a few meters from the place where Kaja lived.

Henrik Møinichen (19), studievenn av Kaja, forteller til VG at han gikk sammen med Kaja til universitetet og undervisning klokken ni fredag 28. mars.
HM, college friend of Kaja, tells VG that he went with K to the university and lectures at 9 oclock on friday the 28. of march.

- Etter min mening var hun helt vanlig. Hun deltok i timen som vanlig, pratet og var glad, sier Møinichen til VG.
In my opinion she was like she usually is. She participated in the lesson, talked and was happy, says M to VG.

Da undervisningen i fransk for utlendinger var slutt klokken 11, dro Henrik til flyplassen i Nice for å møte sin far. Henrik bor på nabohybelen til Kaja. Det siste han hørte, var at hun gikk inne på hybelen sin i tre-fire tiden på ettermiddagen. Resten av dagen var han ute av hybelen sammen med sin far.
When the lesson in French for foreigners ended at 11, Henrik went to the airport to met his father. Henrik lives next door to Kaja. The last he heard was that she went into her room at 3-4 in the afternoon. The rest of the day he was out with his father.

Etter det VG kjenner til skal heller ikke andre venner eller bekjente ha vært i kontakt med 20-åringen mellom klokkeslettet for testen, og det tidspunktet hvor hun ble funnet død.
From what VG knows none others have been in contact with the 20 years old between the time of the test and the time she was found dead.

Sårbart punkt
Vulnabel point (button)

Testen ble funnet hjemme hos henne av familien. Etter at hun var ferdig på skolen har jeg hørt at hun gikk for å kjøpe noen klær. Så skal hun ha kommet i kontakt med Scientologi Kirken, sier Møinichen.
The test was found at her home by her family. After she finished school I heard that she went to buy some clothes. That is when she came into contact with the church of scientology says M.

Etter det VG får opplyst fikk Kaja et ekstremt dårlig resultat på testen.
From what VG has been told, Kaja got an extremtly bad result on the test.

- Jeg har en følelse av at det plutselig må ha skjedd noe, at de har truffet et sårbart punkt. Personlig mener jeg at Kaja hadde vært i live i dag om hun ikke hadde hatt kontakt med scientologene. Jeg hadde inntrykk av at hun hadde det fint i Nice. Hun snakket ofte om fremtiden og sine planer ved universitetet, sier Møinichen.
I feel something most have happende - that they have pushed a vulnabel spot in her. Personaly I think that Kaja had been alive today had she not come in contact with the scientologist. I got the impresseion that she was doing fine in Nice. She often talked about the future and her plans at the university, says M.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, they found her "ruin", as per Hubbard's orders. Whether they actually found it or that she just happened to be susceptible enough to take their BS as the truth, is largely irrelavent.
Scientology does not have a license to diagnose or treat the human condition.
This is why it has to go.

P.S. Thanks for the translation Dorthe.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dagbladet
14th April 08

«Synger du og plystrer for moro skyld?»
Her er scientologenes personlighetstest.
http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2008/04/15/532585.html
(contains some english parts, quoting cult materials).
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is sad, And it is likely that they found her "ruin" oif she was in a bad place then she might have thought there was no other way...

It's very convienient that she died mere hours after being told that she was unhappy and she had problems and the cos were the only ones who could help...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yup, thats what i thought...

look guys, im extremely sceptical about everything and there are
things besides CoS in this world that i do not trust.
one should not ever take anything for granted, especialy if it fits
into your view of things.

anyways i think what happened is that they poored on the idea
of her needing scientology so hard that i think it destroyed all of
those plans she had that the article mentioned.
cuz what they sayd she needed to become happy etc. was prolly
such an incredible load of work that she would not have time to
do anything she had planned, and so her entire vision and hope for the future was utterly destroyed in one fell swoop.

i know how hard it can be simply not to have any vision or hope for the future, it nearly killed me once upon a time.

i cant even imagine having it taken away from you like that...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sponge wrote:
anonangl wrote:
This is heartbreaking. pale pukel Brick wall Brick wall


It is indeed. So young.
Pure madness! To see youth harmed is horrifying. To see life lost to the madness is? Hell, i do not have a word for it! Whoever gave that young women the stress test and evaluation, should be charged criminally,IMHO. Some one took it upon themselves to pass judgement on this poor girl. Look at the results of that and their collective action.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately the Personality Test is bogus. It finds problems where there are no problems.
Scientologists are not trained or qualified to attempt to delve into someone’s psychological profile.

Personality Test
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No reputable psychologist would accept the procedure of pulling people off the street with a leaflet, giving them a 'personality test' and reporting back in terms that show the people to be 'inadequate', 'unacceptable' or in need of 'urgent' attention. In a clinical setting a therapist would only discuss a patient's inadequacies with him with the greatest of circumspection and support, and even then only after sufficient contact for the therapist-patient relationship to have been built up. To report back a man's inadequacies to him in an automatic, impersonal fashion is unthinkable in responsible professional practice. To do so is potentially harmful. It is especially likely to be harmful to the nervous introspective people who would be attracted by the leaflet in the first place. The prime aim of the procedure seems to be to convince these people of their need for the corrective courses run by the Scientology organisations."


A very pretty young girl.
My condolences and care to the family.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Desert Rain wrote:
Unfortunately the Personality Test is bogus. It finds problems where there are no problems.

It is not bogus actually.

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Scientologists are not trained or qualified to attempt to delve into someone’s psychological profile.

You may be got something there, although you are generalizing too much.

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Ah, and these sites are giving that? Rolling Eyes

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