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bixbear
Joined: 07 Apr 2008 Posts: 18
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:02 am Post subject:
Letter to David Miscavige from Jason Beghe
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One week ago, I contacted The President's Office at The Church of Scientology Celebrity Centre International and asked for their help in getting my folders returned to me. The Pres. Off. artfully refused to directly respond to my request. So, I wrote a letter to David Miscavige but, when I tried to route it to him through the proper Church communication system, it was refused.
As the Church of Scientology carefully monitors all anti-scientology websites, I am posting the letter here, on xenu.net, to assure that it be received by the C of S.
A transcript of the meat of the letter is as follows:
Dear Sir,
This letter shall serve as a formal request for the prompt delivery of all my PC, pre-OT and ethics folders to me. I am also demanding any and all videos of sessions (both auditing and ethics) that were recorded of me. As I am no longer a parishioner of The Church of Scientology, no Organization or entity affiliated with the Church has any reason to further maintain them.
Please send to me all the requested folders and videos at the above address as soon as possible. I will be happy to pay for any administrative, shipping or messenger fees that are incurred while facilitating this request. The above contact information is current.
Thank you for your prompt handling of this matter.
Sincerely,
Jason Beghe |
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Kilia

Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 3567 Location: In front of the pc where else would I be?
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:09 am Post subject:
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I sure hope you get them, Jason. _________________ ~*There is courage and strength in numbers*~ |
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ZoSo
Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 20
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:11 am Post subject:
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| You deserve them and I hope you get them back. They have no reason to refuse unless they do keep these files as material to blackmail and intimidate. |
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RealityWillTell

Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 2854
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:20 am Post subject:
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If they want to do what is best for them, they will grant your request. _________________
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Ned Ludd

Joined: 17 Jan 2008 Posts: 323 Location: mmmm, cake
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:22 am Post subject:
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The LDS church does exactly the same thing and to my knowledge nobody has ever gotten their files from the LDS. I wish you luck with it but I know I will never see my files from the LDS and if I ever got them they would be a copy with the originals firmly in their possession.
This is one of the crossover things that I think works the same way with both cults I am afraid. You might be able to sue them however to force them to return your records. _________________ "Who you are speaks so loudly I can't hear what you're saying."
Ralph Waldo Emerson |
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Peter Schilte

Joined: 15 May 2006 Posts: 1696 Location: Vierlingsbeek (Netherlands)
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:23 am Post subject:
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Frankly, I would be surprised when they did. The CULT has, AFAIK, not exactly a history of doing the right thing.
Peter _________________ "THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM."
- L. Ron Hubbard
http://www.scamofscientology.nl |
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Hoot

Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 526 Location: Palm Springs
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:30 am Post subject:
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It will be interesting how the CoS responds to this request...especially because you are a high profile ex.
But it is a very important point....why would a "church" want to hold personal files and video of an ex parishioner...
We all know the answer to that here...but most Joe and Jill Publics do not.
Good Luck Jason..
Love
Hoot _________________ Tom, Tom, Tom, you're glib. You don't know the History of $cientology...we do.
http://www.exscientologykids.com/
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particlewave
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 66
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:36 am Post subject:
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| You know a person shouldn't even have to ask for something like that. Its personal information(could be something very important/private) that they are holding and the person is no longer a member. Any organization that is ethical would just give you back what is yours. I wonder if anyone has ever gotten their folders back? |
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Ladybird

Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 5347
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:48 am Post subject:
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Some good news is that many of the PC folders, especially highly confidential folders such as OT folders, were kept in the basement of Big Blue and were destroyed by floods due to the earthquakes and bad plumbing.
Other good news is that only people considered ethics particles and otherwise unuseful staff are assigned to folder admin because those posts don't bring in the bucks. (That same reasoning was behind nanny assignments). So it is entirely likely that they really don't have your folders anymore, or if they do they can't find them. A lawsuit for recovery of those folders would really waste a lot of time and money for the cult.
There is a really sad story about folder admin Peter Buttery, Class XII who got busted to folder admin after DM blamed him (and several others) for Lisa McPherson's death.
Peter fell off a stack of PC folders and had a major head injury with permanent brain damage. I am sure his wife Chistine, who was Debbie Cooks biatch divorced him, but I don't know what happenend after that.
Anybody know the rest of that story? _________________ "There is nothing as wild in the books of Man as will probably happen here on Earth...it will happen and be allowed to happen simply because all this is so incredible that nobody will even think of stopping it until it is far, far too late"~LRH |
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Ned Ludd

Joined: 17 Jan 2008 Posts: 323 Location: mmmm, cake
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:48 am Post subject:
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Not from the LDS, no. Not since 1860 as far as I know. and you know the scn watch the lds to see what they have gotten away with. _________________ "Who you are speaks so loudly I can't hear what you're saying."
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Elronita
Joined: 09 Aug 2006 Posts: 103
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:49 am Post subject:
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I know my husband who was on staff was denied his *records*. Jason, I hope you get yours. I believe it would be a first if you do. Personally, I know m head would spin if I saw my own. I can imagine all the useless garbage of lies they contain 
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Ale

Joined: 13 May 2006 Posts: 164
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:55 am Post subject:
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Question, forgetting ethics
Does the Church have a legal duty to turn over the records or do they maintain legal possession? is there any precedent here? _________________ I reject any religious doctrine that does not appeal to reason and is in conflict with morality.
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Ladybird

Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 5347
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:57 am Post subject:
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If the cult was smart, they would turn your folders over to you, Jason. If they don't, they are either admitting they are incompetent and lost them, or they are admitting they are holding them against your wishes for presumably nefarious purposes.
It is highly unlikely that they lost the folders of one of their biggest celebs, and if they dare to use them against you they lose the trust of every person who might have given them money.
No matter what they say you said, sessions are not signed by you or in your handwriting. PLUS, as we OTs know, the best thing about being OT is that you get to blame all your transgressions on BTs and past lives!!!
Let's see the cult explain that to the public! _________________ "There is nothing as wild in the books of Man as will probably happen here on Earth...it will happen and be allowed to happen simply because all this is so incredible that nobody will even think of stopping it until it is far, far too late"~LRH |
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songbird
Joined: 16 Oct 2001 Posts: 3626
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:09 am Post subject:
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| Hoot wrote: | But it is a very important point....why would a "church" want to hold personal files and video of an ex parishioner...
We all know the answer to that here...but most Joe and Jill Publics do not. |
Methinks that Joe and Jill Publics may soon find out … courtesy of Jason Beghe!
| Ladybird wrote: | | Some good news is that many of the PC folders, especially highly confidential folders such as OT folders, were kept in the basement of Big Blue and were destroyed by floods due to the earthquakes and bad plumbing. |
Not long ago, a little bird told me that a vast quantity of (paper) folders are being stored improperly in the basement of a parking garage across the street from the Big Blue complex. A parking garage! Fire hazard, hellooooo.
Same little bird told me that the Los Angeles Fire Department, which has never seen this folder storage area, has been told about it, with the offer made of a Google map of the exact building along with directions on how to access that particular space.
Any LA area ex-Scilons who have knowledge of this might want to give the LAFD a jingle to confirm - and encourage them to go take a look. |
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Ned Ludd

Joined: 17 Jan 2008 Posts: 323 Location: mmmm, cake
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:19 am Post subject:
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| Ale wrote: | Question, forgetting ethics
Does the Church have a legal duty to turn over the records or do they maintain legal possession? is there any precedent here? |
Simple answer is no, they probably don't have legal duty to turn them over but they do have a legal duty to ensure they are properly cared for and stored. Security now is paramount and it sounds like the Co$ doesnt have that security. The LDS has a massive records building and packrats every possible piece of information about ever member, their family history and as far back as possible the birth and death record of every person that has ever lived. This is the reason that people use the LDS Family records library for researching family history.
The LDS church has to my knowledge never destroyed anyone's record and has never returned the originals and never will. That is the precedent you were looking for I believe.
The possible loophole here is that if the records are not being taken care of and stored in a safe and secure location, he should be able to demand them through legal action.
adding a link to how records should be stored.
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhl/frameset_library.asp _________________ "Who you are speaks so loudly I can't hear what you're saying."
Ralph Waldo Emerson |
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