***"Man Shot, Killed at Scientology Building in L.A."***

NattyP · Joined: 15 Apr 2006 Posts: 2094

On the wires:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D94KTDHG1&show_article=1

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magoo1 · Joined: 24 Jan 2004 Posts: 10417 Location: Burbank, CA, USA

Yeah.......my friend heard it on KFI, also.

We'll have to wait and hear who it was.

Hopefully no one any of us knows. I've spoken to 3 people who are
involved with Anonymous---and so far none of them knew anything
about it. Perhaps a pissed of X-member? Or just some local who decided
to go there? So far, who knows.

Time shall tell.

My best to all, stay safe!

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NattyP · Joined: 15 Apr 2006 Posts: 2094

This has long, far-reaching, life-span shortening consequences for Scientology. This is their internet age Lisa, potentially.

You know DM is hunkered down with Ava, Helena and Kendrick.

Those of you with back channel info need to proceed carefully. EVERYTHING you hear from those inside is critical and may be leaked to FIND a leak.

Scientology's essential paranoia has taken its latest life.

A "church" whose security guards carry GUNS????

Don't let up on the L.A. media. This will be front page news tomorrow.
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I searched scientology in Google news. More than 260 outlets have picked up the story.
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Don Carlo · Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 4591

The police say the security video backs up their claim to be in danger. I doubt the public will get to see the video since it ends so violently. We'll have to assume the man was insane to attack three guards with a sword in each hand. Did he think he was a samurai in a previous life? Why the Celebrity Centre?

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Djembe Joe · Joined: 04 Jun 2006 Posts: 107 Location: Los Angeles

As Magoo has wisely mentioned many times about "footbullets" - this is certainly one ironic instance where a footbullet into this so called sword carrying "assailant" might have proven the wiser option - one would think so, rather than face what's ahead with the complications of a murder.
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'Alert' · Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:51 am Post subject:

Could this be another David Enteman or John Colletto incident?
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Djembe Joe · Joined: 04 Jun 2006 Posts: 107 Location: Los Angeles

Just to follow-up - The LA times reports that there is a video that shows the guard was acting in self defense - if this holds up to be correct, then the use of the term "murder" would not be accurate.
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J. Swift · Joined: 28 Apr 2005 Posts: 8893 Location: 100 Swift Street

A person brandishing a sword -- and any sword seen nowadays is a reproduction of a ceremonial or war sword from the past -- is generally considered to be mentally ill. I say this because a person who has a premeditated intent to kill others quickly and with maximum force will use a firearm or multiple firearms. Nevertheless, a sword is still considered to be a lethal weapon and is regarded as such by law enforcement or private security. Clearly, brandishing a sword in front of an armed officer or security guard is one way to get yourself killed, so LAPD will look at this as a possible "suicide by cop" incident carried out by a mentally ill person or someone who is otherwise depressed and/or using drugs or alcohol.

The LAPD will need to determine the mental history of the alleged assailant. The LAPD will investigate the motivations of the deceased man and look for any type of relationship he had to Scientology whether pro or con. The LAPD will seek to reconstruct the last few days or weeks of the deceased man's life. What caused the alleged assailant to engage in an act that proved to be fatal to himself? Certainly no police officer or security guard ever wants to kill anyone, but they will do so if needed. All of us have the same basic right to self-defense up to and including killing an attacker.

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If the alleged attacker, now deceased, was mentally ill, then LAPD needs to ask if the decedent was somehow personally affected by Scientology's stated goal to destroy psychiatry, psychology, and to arrest, imprison, or otherwise incapacitate all psychiatrists and psychologists. The Church of Scientology further calls for all psychiatric medications to be outlawed in favor of its bizarre auditing practices that are based upon LRH's exceedingly strange notions of engrams, body thetans, and Xemu's nuclear genocide of 75,000,000 years ago. All of this is of course exacerbated by Scientology's massively propagandistic attempts to characterize the ongoing Free Speech protests against its inhumane practices as a form of Hate Speech.

Beyond the basic fact that the security guard acted correctly in self-defense and in the defense of his colleagues, what else will the LAPD discover in its investigation? Will LAPD discover a repeat of previous tragedies of Scientology parents withholding psychiatric medications from a family member -- or a person driven to insanity by a "Free" Scientology personality test and a cruel reg session? I personally suspect that this was not merely an isolated incident. I suspect that some sort of relationship between the attacker and CoS will be discovered. I could certainly be completely incorrect, but the past history of murder and suicides that have been directly linked to CoS argue for a connection of the deceased to CoS.

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JaneDoe · Joined: 17 Mar 2008 Posts: 303

From http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-scientology24-2008nov24,0,6552577.story

"Police did not release the name of the guard or the man killed in the 1:30 p.m. shooting. An investigator said the man had a history with the church but was not a member now. The tape showed the man arriving at the Celebrity Centre's Bronson Avenue parking lot in a red convertible, getting out of the vehicle and approaching a trio of security guards and waving a sword in each hand, Hara said.

...A teenager who saw the man arrive in the parking lot said he stopped the car abruptly in the driveway and climbed out with a 5-foot sword in his hand and an angry expression on his face. Tony Marquez, 17, said the man, who was bald and had tattoos on his arms, walked toward the building, then returned to the car to get the other sword."

Apparently the guy is in his 40s. Anyone know who this could be? Or is it just some random insane person?

Not sure what to think of this whole incident. It does show that contact between scientologists and the mentally ill can be fatal, literally, despite claims that they are the only people on the planet who can help them.

Poor bastard anyhow. My condolances to his family, whoever they are.

Whoever is out there protesting: be careful, don't go anywhere alone.

This is an unfortunate incident and shows exactly why *peaceful* protests are the only way to go.

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If any of you have an account at Why We Protest, please help out with drafting a press release: http://forums.whyweprotest.net/26-think-tank/press-release-regarding-crazy-samurai-ex-scientologist-32438/
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