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marklowell
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 Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:42 am Post subject:
Construction at PAC
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Work on the top of PAC's main building is underway.
Photos from 30 January 2009.
Seen from Fountain:
Debris chute from Catalina:
View of demolition work from LRH Way:
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LRonAnon
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Wieber
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Roan
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:51 am Post subject:
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I sure hope those aren't RPF'rs working on that project! 
I doubt they are. Scientology with it's crashing stats is more and more having to employ WOG workers (at WOG wages) in order to get work done that formerly was done by harried, sleep-deprived and under-qualified slave labor; (i.e. Sea Org, RPF'rs and other Staff).
Good work, ML! 
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Wieber
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Peter Schilte
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:13 am Post subject:
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| Roan wrote: | I sure hope those aren't RPF'rs working on that project!
I doubt they are. Scientology with it's crashing stats is more and more having to employ WOG workers (at WOG wages) in order to get work done that formerly was done by harried, sleep-deprived and under-qualified slave labor; (i.e. Sea Org, RPF'rs and other Staff).
Good work, ML!
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Oh dear, that poor construction company:
| Quote: | Hubbard wrote that the church was to use a "Dateline Paying" method of
paying bills, which means a date in the past is selected according to
how much money the department has, and then any bills due past that date
are paid. "Tell Accounts, 'Give me every bill we owe prior to August
(three months ago).' Add these up. Let's say the amount exceeds our
cash. Cut it back one month.
Order 'Write cheques for every bill up to July 1.' (That's four months
back.)
That we can cover fully with cash." (HCOPL of 28 January 1965, "How to
Maintain Credit Standing & Solvency") If important bills are overdue and
threats are coming in, "Still try to use the above system. But if you
can't, pay it and retard other bills accordingly. And thereafter, don't
pay that outfit's bill on any other terms than threatened trouble... Be
very proud and haughty about bills. NEVER propitiate." (ibid.) "In the
case of a tradesman demanding for a bill only slightly overdue you will
usually find they have done poor work or slow work if you're at all
solvent and paying your bills. Don't say 'We're too poor and we can only
send you a little but we will try.' ... Say properly 'I don't see that
your bill is much overdue. It takes a bit of time to pay a bill you
know. I will check over your account and see if it is all right.
And by the way, people who dun us either have insufficient finance to
handle our business or something is wrong with their bill. I am setting
your bill aside for audit and if you call again about it, we will sever
the account."
(HCOPL of 28 March 1965, "Emergencies and Accounts Personnel")
"Disbursement NEVER pays from a received bill alone. All bills received
are first filed in the Disbursement files. Then the file is reviewed as
a whole when the time comes to pay bills. It is forbidden to short
circuit this line and pay bills just as they drop into the In basket.
They are filed. Then all files are reviewed once a month, summated and
the result entered in a statement sheet in the file folder and on a
Bills Summary Sheet.... when thereafter requested to do so, the
Disbursement Section makes out the cheques as indicated or readies the
cash." (HCOPL of 6 May 1964, "Accounts Policies"). It appears that bills
must go through a lengthy bureaucratic paper shuffle before payment is
finally made. |
Peter
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NattyP
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 3:12 pm Post subject:
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Are there any pics with the names of subs or the general contractor on them?
If so, perhaps someone should send Jabba the Hub's "Dateline Paying" doctrine (posted below by Roan) to them.
Also, Big Blue looks like a HEAP of shit. The roof must be ready to cave in if they've capitulated to hiring non-Scieno labor to fix it.
The windows look original and the "paint" job on the stucco is awful. Why would anyone paint stucco? Wasn't Cedars originally a sand color?
Does anyone know the history of the blue? Is it El Wrong Sea Org Fantasy Sailor Messenger Cut-Offs Pinks, Greys and Rum Blue? I think that's what Benjamin Moore would call it on the chip if they manufactured it.
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Bea Kiddo
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:47 pm Post subject:
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My memory of the building (well, there are tons more memories, of course, having been there since 1975, but in relation to this thread) :
When we first got the building, it was covered in barbed wire. It was all white, and very dirty looking. The whole thing had been abandoned by Cedars Sanai (spelling?) hospital, who had relocated about 10 years prior.
The EPF was sent in to clean out the building. There were many rumors about body parts and bones in the basement. There still is an incinerator down there, and back in 89 I did see someone pull something that looked like a bone out of it, but who knows. So they cleaned out the building and the management (like Int level and the HGB level moved in). Later the service orgs moved there - AO, ASHO, LA Org, etc.
The building was white. LRH wanted it blue - something about looking like the sky or freedom. Blue is a freeing color or something like that.
They put the big "Scientology" sign on the building (where you see they are doing construction) - Anyone still have a pic of that?
The kids used to climb up there and play on it. Yeah - 8 stories up. Nothing below. We would slide across the rod over to the deck that was behind the sign and play up there. Also, higher up, where you see the pyramid thingy, on the back side of it there is a tiny entrance - kids could fit. We used to go up there and catch pigeons and pigeon eggs. Some of the kids had bee bee guns and would shoot them.
The sign was taken down because it was pretty ugly. But then they could not get approval for a sign big enough (the city would not approve it).
So it stayed covered up as you see it in these pics for years and years. Because the city would not approve what the Scinos wanted, and they could never get anything approved (yes, of course COB had to approve it!) that the city would also allow.
So it looks like they got something approved then? Or they are just going to cover it up and stucco it at least. Who knows if they got a sign design finally approved.
And that current blue? It's not paint. Its stain. They stained the entire building. I think they forgot the sun will fade it. So keeping it up would probably be a full time job. Who knows?
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fowimu
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:37 pm Post subject:
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| If I were that contruction company, I would not count on payment. |
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NattyP
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:50 pm Post subject:
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Thanks, Bea!
Is there any reason to believe there are still children living and working at PAC?
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Bea Kiddo
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:54 pm Post subject:
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| fowimu wrote: | | If I were that contruction company, I would not count on payment. |
I think the church has learned their lesson on this. I think they will get paid.
Back in 1991 the exterior contruction for CCI was getting done. This was the building of the parking lot, the Pavillion and all of the grounds work, including the fountains, fences and the planting of everything.
The cost was around 800,000K to 1 million.
CC Int was paying it weekly out of the financial planning. (The Captain was strong-willed and did not want to borrow from Sea Org reserves or bank or whatever). The entire thing was paid off directly to a general contractor.
Several months later CC was sued. The sub-contractors were not paid.
There was a glitch in the contract where the general contractor did not pay his people (and after he took all the money, he later declared bancrupcy and the money was gone) and so the church was liable.
So we had to pay it out again.
I dont think they want to go through another legal case. When they are the defendant, they dont like dragging it out.
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Bea Kiddo
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:01 pm Post subject:
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| NattyP wrote: | Thanks, Bea!
Is there any reason to believe there are still children living and working at PAC? |
Depends what you mean by children. Under 16: I doubt it. Over 16, yes.
Anyone recruited into the SO who is underage is put into training full time until they are old enough to work.
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But these things only happen because of the people on the outside putting pressure to force them to get their ethics in (funny, the most ethical people on the planet consistently violate basic labor laws and rights and harrassment issues....).
It really helps when these types of things are constantly watched and reported on. It keeps them from screwing with it (more than they do already) on the inside - things like children working, abortions, fire code violations in berthings, etc etc.
Little by little, this things become flaps and they correct it. Then it goes back again to how it was.... so its a constant battle... a constant follow-up.
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Hubbard's Mushroom
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:55 am Post subject:
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Scientology takes care of it's children..
+++++++++Sacred Cult scripture++++++++++++++++
"We’ve actually brought little kids back to life and that sort of
thing—just tell them “pick up the body,” you know. Now, you
just tell them with tone 40, just say it around the vicinity."
— L. Ron Hubbard
Lecture 7 April 1972: Illness Breakthrough
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fowimu
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:09 am Post subject:
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| Bea Kiddo wrote: | | fowimu wrote: | | If I were that contruction company, I would not count on payment. |
I think the church has learned their lesson on this. I think they will get paid.
Back in 1991 the exterior contruction for CCI was getting done. This was the building of the parking lot, the Pavillion and all of the grounds work, including the fountains, fences and the planting of everything.
The cost was around 800,000K to 1 million.
CC Int was paying it weekly out of the financial planning. (The Captain was strong-willed and did not want to borrow from Sea Org reserves or bank or whatever). The entire thing was paid off directly to a general contractor.
Several months later CC was sued. The sub-contractors were not paid.
There was a glitch in the contract where the general contractor did not pay his people (and after he took all the money, he later declared bancrupcy and the money was gone) and so the church was liable.
So we had to pay it out again.
I dont think they want to go through another legal case. When they are the defendant, they dont like dragging it out. |
Wow! |
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secularpatriot
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:53 pm Post subject:
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I'm sure this has to do with the sign removal, too, but I thought the damage to the "pyramid thingy" was from the 1994 earthquake. Either way, the ragged cloth has been blowing in the wind up there for at least 14 years.
Why fix it now when they're hurting for money?
I wonder if the city started leveling fines? Scientology almost certainly wouldn't do it out of the goodness of their hearts, or because they felt bad for their neighbors, having to look at such a eyesore.
Anyway, the building will still be ugly. The whole thing looks very Third World. |
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