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Sponge
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 Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 1:12 am Post subject:
In conversation with a batshit insane scientologist
Subject description: East Grinstead 22nd August 09 - A must see.
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In conversation with a batshit insane scientolgist
East Grinstead 22nd August 09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL4HapgG-2c
| Axiom142 YouTube Channel wrote: | This video was filmed on the 22nd of Aug 2009 in East Grinstead, United Kingdom.
I asked a Church of Scientology Sea Org member if he knew that David Miscavige had been beating his staff and that Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder had left the CoS and were speaking out. His response is shown here.
Sea Org members claim to be the most sane, rational and ethical people on the planet. You wouldnt know it from this. |
With staff like that, the cult implosion rating has just increased significantly.
Here’s what Axiom142 had to say over at ESMB
| Axiom142 wrote: | I was wandering around East Grinstead, in the vicinity of Sainsbury’s (supermarket), when I saw a Sea Org staff minibus, parked on the side of the road and three Sea Org members standing near it. After some discussion, they crossed the road and two of them stood outside the front door of a house, presumably in order to see the occupant/s and get them back on lines / buy more materials etc.
Sensing a good photo opportunity, I whipped out my trusty Canon and took a snap. This apparently aroused their interest, because one of their party followed me down the road and took a photo of me. Nothing wrong with that, I was in a public place after all. In any case, I thought I would take the opportunity to speak to him about what the leader of his ‘church’ is really up to. Ask I walked towards him, he walked off. I followed and asked him if he could confront me. His response was rather non sequitur to say the least. He accused me of being a squirrel!
I was rather bemused by this and decided to respond by telliing him about David Miscavige (allegedly) beating his staff and the fact that Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder had left and were now speaking out. At first, he actually listened to what I said. But this soon changed as he was apparently unable to face any criticism of his leader or organisation. Several times he said that I was repeating a circuit, while himself repeating the same accusations over and over (squirrel, suck on the track, insane, etc). He even suggested that I beat my wife! Yes, really. I mean how corny can you get?
I tried to communicate in a rational way, but it was obviously that he would not listen. He was so intense that he was actually spitting while he was hurling his invective at me.
I tried to communicate in a rational way, but it was obviously that he would not listen. He was so intense that he was actually spitting while he was hurling his invective at me.
Anyway, you can see for yourself in this video.
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Immediately after this, I switched my camera off and just tried to talk to him person to person. I told him that I, and members of Anonymous actually cared about him and his fellow staff members and that we wanted to help them.
But he was having none of this and just shouted me down. It was quite clear that he was well past being able to act rationally and would not listen to a thing that I said. Perhaps staff have been trained in the newly developed ‘Wall of Sound’ Tech in handling critics, where you overwhelm them not with logic and truth, but just drown out anything that they have to say? After a couple of minutes of his rantings (with ever-increasing amounts of spittle), a bus arrived and he got on, presumably to return to St Hill.
I like to think that I don’t set out to cause trouble or provoke people, I don’t see any value in deliberately upsetting people. Perhaps I did overstep the mark in approaching this person, and talking to him. But, I feel very strongly that the staff should have the opportunity to know what is happening in the real world and be able to make informed choices.
Unfortunately, it is very clear from this man’s reaction to a few simple statements of fact, that CoS staff have developed a ‘seige mentality’ where anyone who says anything remotely critical is ‘attacking’ them and must be verbally attacked immediately in response, rather than utilising the purported principles of their founder, namely communicate in a sane and rational manner and handle the problem.
This might sound rather trite, but I really do feel very sorry for guys like this. I’m sure that he is really a very decent person, otherwise he wouldn’t have joined the Sea Org and give up so much. It is the Church of Scientology that causes people to behave so irrationally.
As an amusing postscript, the bus that originally attracted my attention, was parked illegally, and got a parking ticket, shown here:
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http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=13196
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http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-scientology-discussion/batshit-insane-scilon-east-grinstead-51695
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spacecootie
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| Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 1:43 am Post subject:
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| Batshit insane Scilon is redundant. |
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Hubbard's Mushroom
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| Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 1:44 am Post subject:
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Who is insane?
The batshit crazy scientologist. |
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caroline
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| Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:16 am Post subject:
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| Excellent informative video! The Scientologist has spotted "Axiom 142" as an SP and is simply spouting Hubbard's SP doctrine. It's pathetic, but it's what all Scientologists are indoctrinated to KNOW about SPs. Not all of them are so indiscreet with their nasty "knowledge." |
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Green Unicorn
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What strikes me about that video is this man's deliberate and totally evil attempt to use the 'words' that will make Axiom "introvert" and "cave in" on the spot. He was saying things that from his understanding would make Axiom die! He obviously wanted him to lie down and curl up on the spot, all that stuff about being stuck in an electronic incident...words fail me.
The other thing was the insane laugh, reminds me of Cruise's reaction to being asked if he had ever met an SP. To me it shows paranoia and in fact terror, to an alarming degree.
Absolutely vile. |
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I'mglib
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| Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:53 am Post subject:
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That was amazing. He really reminds me of Dan Murnan, on the old WBM videos. His cadence and everything are so much Dan's it makes me wonder how that is that they talk so much the same.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 6:08 am Post subject:
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| caroline wrote: | | Excellent informative video! The Scientologist has spotted "Axiom 142" as an SP and is simply spouting Hubbard's SP doctrine. It's pathetic, but it's what all Scientologists are indoctrinated to KNOW about SPs. Not all of them are so indiscreet with their nasty "knowledge." |
I'm sure that at days end, when all the scilons get together, he got to tell his story of how he shattered supression as a great win and was applauded by the group when he relayed how the espee was totally caved in by Ron's wonderful drek, oops, I mean tech, and how the espee walked off, tail between his legs, head hung down, clearly someone to be disposed of quietly and without sorrow.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:01 am Post subject:
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| RedPill wrote: | | I'm sure that at days end, when all the scilons get together, he got to tell his story of how he shattered supression as a great win and was applauded by the group when he relayed how the espee was totally caved in by Ron's wonderful drek, oops, I mean tech, and how the espee walked off, tail between his legs, head hung down, clearly someone to be disposed of quietly and without sorrow. |
That person's meeting with Axiom 142 would be considered to be "entheta." As such it would be "out ethics" and "suppressive" on his part to talk about what happened on that video with other "scientologists." The correct thing for him to do would be to write up what happened in as much detail as possible as a "knowledge report" and then "route" it to the appropriate "ethics" "terminals."
One other avenue available to him to tell someone about what happened is for him to go to the "examiner" in his "org" and "originate" to them what happened. If he does that without writing and submitting a "knowledge report" or if he talks about it with other staff members or "public people" he will be in trouble. If he does not, at the very least, write a "knowledge report" he will be in trouble.
(Please, note that as much as possible I put the scientology lingo in quotes. If there's anything in quotes or any other terms I may have missed that you want explained, please, ask and I'll do my best to explain.)
50 pounds? That's over $80 in US dollars. How do I get in on that?
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caroline
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| Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 6:17 pm Post subject:
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The Scientologist was going to go to OSA to check the photo he took of Axiom142 against OSA's database on Anonymous? Not surprising, but still good to know. Be careful out there people.
| Unofficial transcript of A Conversation With a Scientologist - 22/08/2009 by Axiom142 wrote: | Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL4HapgG-2c
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Axiom142: So why do, why do Scientologists always resort to personal criticisms?
Scientologist: [Stops his laughing, turns around, moves close to camera.] Oh, I see. I've got your photograph. That's all I care about. [Talking over Axiom142]
Axiom142: Are you so [unintelligible]... in your own aims that you can't .. ]
Scientologist: I'm now going to go to OSA and find out where the fuck you are coming from. And do you know what I'll find out? I'll find out that you're part of that fucking group. I'll find out that you're part of the fucking ANONYMOUS or some fucking group. That's what I'll find out.
Axiom142: You've heard of Anonymous, have you?
Scientologist: Oh, I know you're part of it. |
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| Unofficial transcript of A Conversation With a Scientologist - 22/08/2009 by Axiom142 wrote: | Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL4HapgG-2c
Baillee: YOU ARE NUTS. Do you understand what I'm saying? You're NUTS. You are insane. You're crazy. You're stuck in an incident.
And you're not looking at me! You're looking at your camera. LOOK at me when I tell you.
You're nuts. You're insane. YOU ARE INSANE. I can tell you're stuck in an electronic incident on your whole track. [Yelling] YOU ARE NUTS! Period. [Turns away. Starts "laughing" hysterically.] |
Remind you of TD much?
| Unofficial transcript of 1. A disciplined religious order wrote: | Audio source: http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/project/church-response.shtml
Tommy Davis: But the common denominator with these guys is, is that they were up to some real bad bad bad bad bad stuff. And unfortunately, as Monique alluded to early on in our conversation, they were things that ah, some of them, particularly with relationship to Mike and um, Marty, are things that we can't talk about.
And the thing that is so SICK about this is is that Marty KNOWS we can't talk about them. And he knows we won't. But they get, they cut right to the core of exactly why he was UNCEREMONIOUSLY removed.
Because let me tell you I've dealt with THAT GUY. And when you, when you talk to him again, you tell him that Tommy Davis said he is an outright coward. And that he made him out, himself out like a tough guy and he's a bastard and a coward. And a PSYCHOTIC. PSYCHOTIC! That he would do this to his friends? The people that he worked with?
Joe, look at me when I'm talking to you! |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 8:21 pm Post subject:
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scientology loaded language term: "obnosis"
Hubbard defines this made up term as "observing the obvious."
scientology loaded langare term: "obnose"
Hubbard defines this as the verb form of "obnosis:" "to observe the obvious."
Surprise, surprise! There are drills in scientology courses connected with these two loaded language terms.
The point of all that is to bring a person to a point where when they look at something they see just what is there and that's all. For example, one would look at the left side of a car and see two tires and one would not assume that there are another two tires on the other side because they couldn't see the other side of the car.
Got that?
OK. Good. Fine. Superdooper. Zug zug. ("Zug zug" is not a scientology loaded language term. Yet.)
That's all very wonderful but what amazes me is how little people in scientology actually do of only seeing what is there and nothing else.
The "scientologist" said that he had talked to one of the people in Anonymous who had told him they get fifty pounds. For him to believe that contravenes the scientology mantra, "if it isn't in writing it isn't true." Repeat after me, "if it isn't in writing it isn't true." That's a much loved and repeated "ronitude." ("Ronitude" is my loaded language term. It is a conjoining of "Ron" and "platitude.")
It seems to me that there is considerable "dub-in" . . . (No, not Dubbin, the stuff for treating leather. "Dub-in" is a scientology loaded language term that means to put something there that isn't or wasn't there.)
It seems to me that there is considerable "dub-in" with people involved in scientology, especially with the people in the office of special affairs (Oh, suh) with regard to how they view critics of the so called church, especially members of Anonymous and Anonymous collectively.
You know, Oh, suh lurker, if you are going to deal with what you consider a threat to your oh so precious so called church of scientology (My precious! My precious!) that it would behoove you to make observations about that perceived threat that are as accurate as possible but you don't do that. You add things in of your own devising or that you've been told to add in. Well, good, just keep doing that.
OK, done with that. New topic.
The guy in scientology in the video - bad haircut - he didn't get his money worth. He looks and sounds like other people I've known who drank a lot of alcohol.
Another new topic.
The laugh - I think after watching the composite video we can call it "the laugh" - the laugh is a result of doing the "training regimen" (TR) called "bull baiting." All "scientologists" have that or a similar laugh and it usually comes out when they are under duress or in a situation they find upsetting to them. In addition to that they are all quite proud of their own particular version of "the laugh."
Yes, I'm speaking in a generality here, but generally that is what I observed when I was "in" scientology and hey, it's true for me.
Yet another new topic.
If that guy in scientology in the video ever gets "out" of scientology, gets some exit therapy and is videoed after that you will see a very noticeable change in him.
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Videos like that are why Xenu created the internets! And videos like that are why DM wants Scientologists to STFU, stop disseming, and body route people in Automated Ideal Orgs where people can talk to flat panels that give innocuous answers about literacy, psych drugs, and teh Tech. Ridged up Scilons telling SP's that they are locked into electronic implants on the wholetrack/being paid by "them" is out gradient. DM has flown Scientology right into the ground and his Scilons are blindly following right along!
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