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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:09 am    Post subject: SP times 11/01/09 Reply with quote

http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/i-just-want-to-get-on-with-my-life-after-scientology/1048131
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:32 am    Post subject: Re: SP times 11/01/09 Reply with quote

It's one article of many in chapter 1 of a new part 3 of the Truth Rundown series.
Jump to the latest posts in the media mega-thread for the whole thing....
"Chased by their church"
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?p=368170#368170
or go direct to the SP Times Truth Rundown main page:
http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/project/index.shtml
Chapters 2 and 3 of this new Part Three will be published on Monday and Tuesday.
[ your easy-to-remember shortcut: www.truthrundown.org ]

It's currently a front page article. Which is nice Smile

web:


jpg of print version (cropped):

>Large JPG of front page<
> PDF of original front page <
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love waking up to this!!!! Of course it scares me too because I know that all of this is happening because the church is just expanding soooooooo fast!!!!!! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read Tommy Davis' reply. Will somebody please get him in a straitjacket or at least cut off the electricity to his computer before he embarrasses himself and his beloved ecclesiastic church even further.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chapter 2 is up, if anyone is interested.
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?p=368173#368173


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scientologits[mispelling intended] have been flagging the negative comments about scientology on these SP Times articles.

Due to the change of commenting system, also now requiring registration btw, when you use the "Report Abuse" link on a comment it has the effect of removing the comment immediately for review by a human at the SP Times before it either gets put back or binned.
Apparently, the SP Times staff are aware of this malicious flagging. Not sure if they are going to do anything about it right away but I hope this behaviour gets column space in the next chapter, or in a special editorial.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So nice of them, providing SP times with material for their next article.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am extremely glad to see Mike Rinder and Marty Rathbun talking about the Bob Minton affair. The web is being unweaved.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

J. Swift wrote:
I am extremely glad to see Mike Rinder and Marty Rathbun talking about the Bob Minton affair. The web is being unweaved.


It would be nice if Bob Minton would talk about the Bob Minton affair.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's amazing is that Rinder says that he and Minton are now friends, after all that. How is that possible???
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'mGlib wrote:
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What's amazing is that Rinder says that he and Minton are now friends, after all that. How is that possible???

I became friends with a person who used to torment me on a regular basis when I was in. We later became friends, after we both got out, of course. People do change. Many people are not themselves when they are in deep- meaning on full time staff at an Org, or in the Sea Org. When you get out of that kind of situation (sleep deprived, heavily indoctrinated believer), hopefully you regain your true self again.

That's why I tend to give most exes the benefit of the doubt no matter what they did when they were in. But I'll also admit there are a few that I could never ever be friends with. Because I suspect that the ugly souls they were, is who they really are.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My favorite comment to Tommy Davis' response:

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rhetorical question wrote:
I teach university level critical thinking and what is most disturbing to me is Scientology's technique of apparently cutting off the critical thinking capacity in its followers. Yes people are sometimes "happier" not having to think critically, but definitely not better off in the long run. This letter is fascinating for all of the logical fallacies (a favorite seems to be ad hominem) and poorly constructed arguments it reveals, and its position of complete intolerance to criticism of any kind, which in an individual is a sign of either narcissistic personality disorder or the paralysis of critical thinking due to brainwashing. I think it would be valuable for this newspaper to seriously analyze the slippery and logically invalid rhetorical strategies Scientology uses, both in its initiatory indoctrination exercises, and in defense letters such as this.


OK, we see logical fallacies in media coverage constantly, but Tommy really takes it to new heights.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The final chapter of part 3 is now up:
Media section links:
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?p=368174#368174
or go direct to the SP Times Truth Rundown main page:
http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/project/index.shtml



What the in-print front page looked like.....

original PDf of front page:
http://www.tampabay.com/specials/publication/Times_1A/20091103.pdf
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