J. Swift wrote:IMO, what some critics refuse to understand is that while ours is mostly black and white work with clear Good and Evil, there are sometimes shades of gray. This is hard for the Absolutists on either side to understand. That Bob Minton came to consider Mike Rinder to be a friend speaks volumes about both men. The power of just listening and trying to understand what other people are saying can be incredibly transformative.
As the walls keep breaking down, once former enemies can now talk in the open online. Parts of this thread were some of the most important posts I have ever seen on OCMB.
There was alot to Bob Minton's "relationship" with Mike Rinder that we are not aware of Swift and it is reckless to make assumptions about someone that is not here to address them. Many of the critics here were not critics in the 90s and early 2000 when Mike Rinder was coordinating his reign of terror as OSA Director and have no clue to the impact that his complicity in criminality had on the lives of innocent people. Now, that he's out, very uninformed people want to play nice & pretend all the terror he perpetuated on people didn't happen, so much that some critics have friended him on Facebook. If Adolf Eichmann were alive today, they'd be forgiving & friending him, too. It's very sad, really.
Minton's desire to forgive & move on was motivated by his desire for less duress & peace in his life which is one of the reasons he & Stacy moved to Ireland. Bob was a complicated man. He forgave, but he did not forget. Now, that he's dead, apologists come out of the closet to speak on his behalf. I don't believe you, personally, were around Bob Minton during his fighting days with the cult, Swift, and anything you offer is complete hearsay or what you think was the game.
around at that time, had many sit-downs with Bob, and was well aware what was happening as Bob was not afraid to talk about it, as was Gerry Armstrong, Dennis Erlich & others who had various degrees of Bob's attention, like Mark Bunker, Jeff Jacobsen, Patricia Greenway, and others who were closer to the fire than I was. I remember well the intense hatred Bob had for Mike Rinder and Scientology execs in general after he stepped into the fray; even moreso when Mike Rinder went behind his back to contact Therese (his wife) and coordinate ops against his two daughters at their elementary school.
Stacy would be more apt to speak to the truth of the matter on how Bob really felt, but she's not talking and that's her right. I don't think Mike Rinder should be burnt at the stake, but he should be fully accountable for his actions and not hide behind his friends that seek to play the role of his apologist and PR rep.
Didn't you read Stacy's Dec 2009 email to Mark Rathbun that got posted on the net after his account was hacked?
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01.-------- Original Message --------
02.Subject: Two cents
03.Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:56:41 +0000
04.From: Stacy Brooks <email@example.com
05.To: Marty Rathbun <firstname.lastname@example.org
10.I'm writing with regard to a post you made on your blog, "Inquiry of
11.Oz," on December 1. It was a news story from the Sydney Morning
12.Herald, and you prefaced it with an appeal for input. You said, "I am
13.interested in your views as to whether you think this helps steer
14.things into better focus, or whether it simply exacerbates a wholly
15.negative situation. I have no strong view one way or the other, so I
16.am interested in other viewpoints."
18.I see that you have been inundated with opinions about this, so
19.forgive me if you are overrrun on the whole thing. From what I've
20.read, most people are encouraging you to continue to speak out about
21.DM's abuses. No one is in a better position to do so than you, that is
22.for sure. But I wish you wouldn't. I wish you would concentrate on
23.helping people by applying the tech with the same kind heart and
24.compassion that you showed to me when we talked on the phone. You have
25.a gift. You changed my life with just a little bit of 2wc. You can
26.change people's lives for the better. To me that is more important
27.than exposing DM's outrageous behavior. People have been exposing his
28.bad behavior for years and it hasn't changed anything. The people just
29.disappear, and he keeps on going.
31.Mike and I had a conversation a few weeks back that came to mind when
32.I read your appeal for input about this recent news story. I told him
33.it had been my feeling at the LMT that if we had any chance of helping
34.the people inside Scientology it would be by gathering evidence of
35.DM's criminal behavior and getting him prosecuted. Mike said something
36.I will never forget (and I am sure the two of you have talked about
37.this subject, so this will not be a new idea to you). He said that
38.getting an agency to pay serious attention to such evidence would be
39.extremely difficult, and if an agency did decide to pursue the
40.allegations, what did I think would happen when they arrived at the
41.base? They would be met with hundreds of people who all insisted there
42.was nothing wrong and the allegations were false. And that would be
43.the end of that. Without any witnesses, there would be nothing they
44.could do. He said in his view a better way would be to get
45.Scientologists to withdraw their support of DM by letting them know
46.there is a much better alternative. (He didn't say those words but
47.that is what I got from what he said.) What he said made sense to me.
49.Since then I have been following your blog regularly, thinking that if
50.there is anyone who has a chance of freeing Scientologists from their
51.belief that their only choice is to stay on line at the official
52.Church, it is you. With your compassionate big heart and humble
53.spirit, born of your own well known experiences, you can let them all
54.know that there is an alternative; they don't have to keep giving all
55.their money to the IAS and disconnecting from their friends and family
56.as the price of their freedom. And the staff don't have to spend their
57.lives on the RPF or in lower conditions, being screamed at and beaten
58.up as the price of their freedom. LRH said, "The tech is free; keep it
59.so." That is the most important message that you are delivering. I
60.think it's a lot more important than speaking out about DM. Everybody
61.loves a fight, the bloodier the better. So everybody is encouraging
62.you to fight DM. But maybe that isn't your job in all of this. Maybe
63.you could leave that to others and you could concentrate on rescuing
64.the tech from this monster.
66.I guess I am worried about you. I keep thinking of the policy, "If you
67.leave us alone, we'll leave you alone." I am afraid DM is going to
68.become as obsessed with destroying you as he did with all the other
69.people who have come before you who tried to change the Church by
70.going to the media and government bodies like the Australian
71.parliament with stories of abuse and human rights violations. I don't
72.have any doubt that you are smart and savvy and experienced enough to
73.be able to predict his every move against you. But in the end I am
74.afraid he will win that game, because it isn't a game you want to
75.play. You just want to help people, so your heart won't be in it like
78.If I knew then what I know now, I would never have tried to beat DM at
79.his own game. I never had a chance because it wasn't what I wanted to
80.be doing. I'm not a warrior. As you said, I'm a techie. That's all
81.I've ever wanted to be. You told me that's what you want to be, too.
82.And you are such a gifted techie! That is what is needed more than
83.anything. So I wish you would leave the attacks to other people and
84.concentrate on helping people with the tech. People inside will find
85.out what you're doing and they will start to realize that they don't
86.have to stand for the out ethics and out tech that is going on inside.
87.They will realize they have an alternative, and they'll start leaving.
88.It has already begun. You've been doing a brilliant job gathering
89.people. It's the best thing that could ever happen. I wish you would
90.keep doing that.
92.So, that is my two cents. I hope you will forgive me for presuming to
93.give you advice. I am sure you are already aware of all of the things
94.I have said and did not need to hear it from me, but I am concerned
95.about you and I guess this is my way of trying to help.
97.Wishing you all the best,
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