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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:00 pm 
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(Back to Main Story) Four years later - Mike Sutter has just arrived at the Int Base and is now in charge of Security in RTC.

Enter Keith Henson. Somehow Mike and the Gold Security crew knew Keith was coming before he did. I think they had plants in Keith’s circle.

That's been known for a long time. The first letter to Grover Trask was dated a day or two before I announced on the net I was going to go picketing. The leak was almost certainly out of the chat room at that time because I was not talking to anyone else about it.

"May 24: Scientology attorney Alan E. Oberstein meets with the Riverside County District Attorney Trask regarding Mr. Henson."

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So Mike Sutter orders that NO ONE IS TO BE OUTSIDE WHILE KEITH IS ON THE HIGHWAY. This means no one. PERIOD. So, a few outside PI’s are hired and they are supposed to deal with Keith when he arrives. (Don’t let any Int Base staff be completely bragged up mentally by Keith Spewing Xenu stories, but the PI’s will be fine.)

They didn't come out to talk, but the PIs seem to have followed me over to Tucson and back the first time I picked. I anounced I was going to picket on May 25, 2000 which was a Thursday, picketed the next day, Friday. When I got there the place was in lockdown, not a person visible.

Grady Ward wrote:

> I got to Hemet about 9:30 this morning a reporter and a photographer
> were there. Sprinkler Tech was in operation. There was a near river
> running down the gutters. The response to my picket was complete
> non-confront. Not a soul in site, except the two guards at the gate.
> After 2 passes around the area picketing, I went to the west end,
> and checked out the accident site. I have photographs that I will
> try to scan and post as soon as possible.

(I called the LMT because I was going to be out of touch and Grady posted the report for me.)
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So this goes on for days, Keith shows up and no one can go anywhere because they might see a sign that says Xenu. 99% of the Int Base staff have never even heard the word Xenu much less have any clue what it means or any of the story. So if you were on the other side of the Int Base getting a pen from supplies and Keith showed up – you had to stay there in Supplies for the rest of the day until he left.

If you were eating and he showed up, you had to stay in the dining room for the rest of the day. It was crazy. While Keith was “visiting� not one thing got done. You could nto even look out a window, open a door. The security force told people that the SP's on the highway would be taking pictures, and that if any Int Base staff were photographed, they would be RPF'd instantly. This kept pretty much everybody inside with no problem. Sitting around doing nothing is a far better fate than the RPF.

Amazing. But it happened. I was there and reported it.

Picketed again on the way back from a conference I had been to over the memorial day weekend in Arizona. The PIs must have followed me and called ahead after I turned off of I 10 on SR 79. By the time I got there the construction crew had been sent home and was bugging out. I talked to some of them on the way out and they took Xenu flyers. There must have been one or two dozen construction guys who got the day off. Detailed report of that day here:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.reli ... 6b5bfe33ac
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Well, Dave Miscavige showed back up and heard about all of this and could not believe that this had been happening. He ordered Mike Sutter to be kicked out of RTC and posted in CMO INT.

He ordered that Mike Rinder sort this out and if he didn’t he would be RPF’d. Mike Rinder just had the crew moved around in buses


Exactly what happened:

June 20: Henson pickets Gold (post dated June 21) "they seem to be taking people from one side of the road to the other in vans, to avoid seeing me and the entire plaza and walkway under the road is almost unused. I saw a total of three using it all day, and I bet they got in trouble." My home and my wife's place of business are picketed.

http://www.operatingthetan.com/timeline3.htm

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and otherwise the PI’s would be all around Keith to cover any Xenu signs that might be showing.

The crew were shuttled around the property in the huge passenger buses and no one could go anywhere unless inside the buses. Staying inside was still in force but Dave was told that no one was stopped from being on post.



June 23: Henson pickets Gold, "A big change today from yesterday. Something like one in six of them are now looking frankly [openly] at my sign.

The PIs, Edwin Richardson and some heavy set PI we never did get the right name for didn't show up till July 2, and they never were able to block my signs. However, they were continually taping anyone who happened to look in our direction and there was a huge planting effort that went on near the east underpass.
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What Dave is told and what actually happens are rarely the same thing. Dave Miscavige is lied to 95% of the time by anyone below him. He hears what people think he wants to hear. The truth is rarely in that category.

snip about Mike Sutter, poor Mike!
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Until next time…

BFG


I don't know who would now be out (if anyone) who knew about this, but is clear that the DA's office and through them the Sheriff was corrupted. As a guess this was done by Gerrald Feffer acting on Moxon's orders to pressure Grover Trask, but there may have been Int Base staff who were in on it. If there were, can you make a guess as to who would have been involved?

Interesting to compare notes, BFG!

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It's interesting to see the confirmation of details between Keith Henson and BFG.

I'd like to see someone come on here and confirm some of BFG's early posts, and I'm talking about the ass beatings DM's handed out.

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It's interesting to see the confirmation of details between Keith Henson and BFG.

I'd like to see someone come on here and confirm some of BFG's early posts, and I'm talking about the ass beatings DM's handed out.


Interesting, indeed.

I can't recall a poster so far who has, themselves, claimed to have been beaten by Miscavige. My impression is that only a select few very high-up people are considered beating targets - people who are deeply in on the con themselves and therefore very reluctant to leave.

He can't just stride around with his goon squad to hold people while he's kicking asses left and right, after all. That sort of thing tends to breed disquiet among the flock. :D

I do know that there have been quite a few independent reports from people who have witnessed it, though.

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Sounds like lifelong Scientology training & tech have done a lot for DM, eh? :wink:


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What Dave is told and what actually happens are rarely the same thing. Dave Miscavige is lied to 95% of the time by anyone below him. He hears what people think he wants to hear. The truth is rarely in that category.

A fascinating game this business of lying. The LRH stable datum about lying is that it cuts both ways. About 95% of what I told people, even the people who worked directly for me, was a lie. I told them what I thought they wanted to hear, and yes, the truth is rarely in that category as BFG indicated. I taught David this stable datum and about 95% of what David tells people is a lie. He tells them what they want to hear. And because they have overts on DM I can tell you that they are going to shovel shit out of the lakes at Int Base. That is as A=A as A=A gets. Clay demo it and you will see I am absolutely right about this bit of logic.

The thetans who lied to me pulled in their own punishment. I had to create and liberally use the RPF in order to accomodate all of the requests for self destruction my lying subordinates were continually giving me. The fact is that I never RPF'd anyone. The fact is that they RPF'd themselves. All I did was to turn their overts into a little MEST drama called RPF. The secret of getting out of RPF is to unmock all of your overts on LRH and DM. Just stop mocking up overts and you will see that RPF doesn't exist and never existed. You mocked up being in RPF because you couldn't confront your overts. I never needed to be RPF'd because I could fully confront my overts. So can David. That is why he will eat caviar with movie stars why the 95% of his staff who tell him lies are shoveling out the lakes, hewing wood, or carrying water.

I could be merciless when my will was crossed and I had the right to be merciless. If 95% of people lied to me, then I was merciless and I was correct in my mercilessness. I was just and kind. I was merciless to any who crossed my rule and this did not affect me emotionally. I never had any fear of anyone for everyone in my own Universe was under my dominion. I never told them, never explained. They knew and they know now.

Lies don't matter in the grand scheme. They are just the group bank and can be handled by ethics. All that matter are stats. If your stats are good you can lie to me or DM all you want. We care not. If your stats are down then all that matters are getting them back up or handing you a shovel and telling you to get busy down at the lakes. The lies are incidental.

I lied to others and expected lies from them. That is why I rigged the game with sec checks so that I would always win. I got to know all of your lies and you got to know none of mine. I set Scientology up like a casino: the odds are always in favor of the house you see. David does the same thing. He lies to you, gets to know all of your lies via sec checks, and you never get to know any of his lies. If you confronted me on one of my lies then the game was immediately over for you. The game ended and I declared you a suppressive person. Do not pass go, do not collect $200, and lose your eternity. How dare you question my integrity. I always won and you always lost. The same is true of David.

You will never win this game because you are sheep who are not willing to ack that you are in a totally rigged game. You think it really is about clearing the planet don't you? Well let me give you a hint: It's about what goes into Scientology's bank account every Thursday at 2:00 PM. All that mystical stuff is just mocked up. Sorry. That's the game. I am telling you this and you still won't believe me. That is how much control I gained by lying. I did cleary state for the record, "THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them." I said that and people went into overwhelm and thought I was only talking about wogs or the IRS. It was the darnednest thing and it factually still amazes me.

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Thank you, Mr. Hubbard, I'll kept it in mind.

Regards, your mate.


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*snickers at the 'hewers of wood' ref*

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L. Ron Hubbard,

I think you've grown a little soft after your death.

Nevertheless, I appreciate the clarity and the honesty of your last post.

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chuckbeatty wrote:
When I looked in it I could see that the whole thing had been gone through with ball point pen and it was obviously LRHs handwriting. I went through every copy of the book that I could find on the base and couldn't find one that had these revisions. Anyway to make a long story short - THAT is what came out when the book was re-released in the 90s. It had been revised by LRH, not altered.
Hi, Chuck. Thank you for this information. I too couldn't accept that Miscavige would blatantly alter Hubbard's writings. Now, I can see how he could have (did) achieve it. For someone who could forge Hubbard's signature, such as Miscavige, forging Hubbard's handwriting which is so distinctive, would have been very easy, particularly with all the samples available.

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blownforgood wrote:
What Dave is told and what actually happens are rarely the same thing. Dave Miscavige is lied to 95% of the time by anyone below him. He hears what people think he wants to hear. The truth is rarely in that category.
Of course, this is to be expected. When you are terrified of the consequences, such as the RPF, you will tell the bully threatening it, what wants to hear. This results in a "no responsibility" modus operandi, and very little is achieved. Consequently, the threat becomes more severe..... and so you have a dwindling spiral. There can be no doubt that the CofS is doomed.

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mr_bad wrote:
It's interesting to see the confirmation of details between Keith Henson and BFG.

I'd like to see someone come on here and confirm some of BFG's early posts, and I'm talking about the ass beatings DM's handed out.


Interesting, indeed.

I can't recall a poster so far who has, themselves, claimed to have been beaten by Miscavige. My impression is that only a select few very high-up people are considered beating targets - people who are deeply in on the con themselves and therefore very reluctant to leave.

He can't just stride around with his goon squad to hold people while he's kicking asses left and right, after all. That sort of thing tends to breed disquiet among the flock. :D

I do know that there have been quite a few independent reports from people who have witnessed it, though.


Though this probably won't satisfy your criteria I have talked with two people, directly, who were the recipients of exactly such abuse. Neither of them post here.

It is not, I think, a question of breeding disquiet among the flock - oderint dum metuant seems to be Davie's motto. I think it is much more a case of people willing to go to the police. People at INt may, at the time, be shocked into accepting it and even upon reflecton realize that it is going to come down to "he said/he said" . But down there among the proles - there could be witnesses. God forbid there could be SO members who actually think that the law would apply.


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I think the problem is the guys are so censored, isolated, and suppressed that they believe Davey is beyond the reach of the law.

I'd bet if communication could be gotten to them to let them know that if they have seen the Douche Bag engaged in a violent act they could act as a witness and put him behind bars where he belongs.

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mr_bad wrote:
I think the problem is the guys are so censored, isolated, and suppressed that they believe Davey is beyond the reach of the law.

I'd bet if communication could be gotten to them to let them know that if they have seen the Douche Bag engaged in a violent act they could act as a witness and put him behind bars where he belongs.
Hi, mr_bad. I suspect that your assessment may well be true of the more junior of Int staff, as well as those who are relatively new to Int. As for the senior and old-hands, I suspect they are hanging on with the belief that Miscavige will not survive. There can be no doubt that they would be fully aware of the current condition of the CofS, and as it continues to deteriorate, Miscavige will either bolt with the money or be facing criminal charges. In either case, the senior staff consider it their responsibility to rescue the CofS, and this is the reason, I believe, they are hanging on.

Once a person has gotten off an "evil" purpose, the charge blows and shouldn't read again, but the intention itself still exists. If Miscavige thinks he is protecting himself with running mini-Miscavige-FPRDs on these guys, he is sadly mistaken.

In the short term, I would be happy to see the departure of Miscavige, however, in the longer term, I want to see the dismantling of the CofS. When it comes to the FreeZone, I don't care whether Crowley's OTO continues or not and I have the FreeZone in the same catagory.

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mate,

I think you touched on something that I haven't seen much discussion about. I'm refering to the reason these guys continue to hang on despite the abuse. From what I gathered, Douche threatens to leave all time. His minions are hopeful that after his departure things will be set straight, but the trouble is--he won't leave unless he's forced.

So, I believe one of a two things need to occur:

1. $cientology Celebrities need to ban together and either petition or protest his leadership until he resigns.

2. S.O. members need to covertly come together and agree that he needs to go--then figure out a way to get rid of him.

Getting rid of him is going to be $cientology's only chance of ending the delusional insanty.

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mr_bad wrote:
mate,

I think you touched on something that I haven't seen much discussion about. I'm refering to the reason these guys continue to hang on despite the abuse. From what I gathered, Douche threatens to leave all time. His minions are hopeful that after his departure things will be set straight, but the trouble is--he won't leave unless he's forced.

So, I believe one of a two things need to occur:

1. $cientology Celebrities need to ban together and either petition or protest his leadership until he resigns.

2. S.O. members need to covertly come together and agree that he needs to go--then figure out a way to get rid of him.

Getting rid of him is going to be $cientology's only chance of ending the delusional insanty.

mb
Hi, mr_bad. Miscavige is another Edgar Hoover. He has the dirt on each and every celebrity and is blackmailing them. I would like to think that a mutiny could take place, but I can't see it.

I believe that the collapse of the CofS is close, in that they are losing their public. Through the stupidity of Miscavige, there is no real delivery, what with OTVIII gone and Super Power an unreal dream. With no services, sales will fall dramatically and dry up. This means a rapidly falling income and eventually it will dry up. The CofS has survived because it had funds to pay its team of attorneys and its bribes, which are essential for its survival.

IMHO, the CofS wont survive in its current form. I suspect that some of the individual churches will survive and there may be some sort of loose affiliation among them. But the Sea Organization will become a part of history.

Regards, your mate.

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