Truth About Debbie Cook as Capt FSO

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Truth About Debbie Cook as Capt FSO

Post by MirnaMinkoff » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:50 am

I read/lurk ESMB a few times a month, but have never bothered to register there. Due to a current thread I was going to sign up and post this, but can't register because any email address (yahoo, etc..) is ID'ed as a spammer, it tells you to hit "contact us" to rectify but then that button takes you to an error page.

Recently a thread entitled "Debbie Cook is back on the internet" cropped up. It begun the old argument about her being a bad guy or good guy. A few rush to her defense saying she should not be held accountable for her time as Captain as Flag because she was in the cult mindset. I notice the people who give this argument are almost always former PUBLIC, people who only knew her friendly facade as FLAG captain - I don't ever see those who worked with or under her at FLAG run to her defense and there is a very good reason for this.

A few months after Debbie Cook email I was sent the following by a former SO I had had some contact and interviews with. It was a offhand negative remark on the subject of Debbie's email that led to this person explain why they felt Debbie was not to be trusted - and they turned out to be right. I chose not to share it at the time because I had hoped Debbie's evolution would continue and didn't want to give the cult any ammunition when they were battling her (not that this would have served this purpose much, since it just makes them all look bad.) Anyway, its obvious Debbie took a pay off and is happy keeping her mouth shut about (as she said) "where the bodies are buried." So I think it's time to add some reality to those who would defend Debbie due to her one act of sending an email and taking on DM, taking him on for what in the end was just for personal gain.

Reading another round of people defending her and anything she did at FLAG - while its obvious these same people have no real idea what she actually did at FLAG - got my dander up and made me decide it was time to share this.

Without further ado, testimony from a former SO at FLAG who was there during a few years where Debbie was at the helm. This person left the SO and eventually Scientology years ago, and while they have helped behind the scenes to confirm info given by other Ex-SO they do not want to be public themselves.

Feel free to post this over at ESMB since I can't.
I was in the SO at FSO in the early to mid 1990s. There is no doubt that there is a component of truth that we all acted in certain ways because it was SOP or there was duress/ orders from above or some idea of "for the greater good," but many of us acted on our own accord and some very selfishly and Debbie Cook has far more than her share of crimes, yes crimes in the real sense, not the fucked up "scientology" sense. I even knew Wayne before he courageously presented her with flowers and they started a relationship.

Debbie Cook is not a victim. Her are some truths about her actions as CO FSO:

In 1992 Debbie Cook was made aware that several Sea Org Members children in the cadet org had been sexually molested and effectively raped. Debbie's reaction was the same as ours - throw the children into ethics and find out why they "pulled it in" and to get their perversions on the Second Dynamic corrected; and to enforce that no police were contacted and force the Sea Org parents involved to be disallowed to talk with the adults who did it (yes, women and men did the molesting). Any Sea Org parent who made a fuss was also thrown into ethics - and Debbie herself ordered this. She even had the sex offenders given new posts and they simply did "ethics conditions".

In addition to this, Debbie Cook actively promoted and sent FSO Recruiter Nissem Moscona (spelling phonetically, probably spelling it very wrong) to third world countries in South America to "Recruit" sea org members that were raw public. Debbie herself OKed and even helped to formulate those "missions" to Mexico and other countries. When these recruits arrived many of them appealed to her directly to be let go of. Her response was to have them thrown on the decks, refused their return airfares and under Flag Orders allowing them to have their pay suspended, removed any means they had of even making phone calls back home. So many of them knew virtually no english that they created their own "group" at the Flag Land Base and rather than given assistance in education or learning English were instead rushed through training in translated texts. She also knew and supported the withholding of their passports. She knowingly approved those missions and new the garbage they were bringing back. She had no concerns about the innumerable phone calls being made to the FSO by concerned parents, sisters and brothers and ordered HCO to prevent any messages or letters going to those staff.

In addition to this she was most happy to take advantage of a loop hole in the Book Sales Commissions scheme herself and worked with the Book Store Officer and turned a blind eye to him often each week reaping over $10,000 in commissions. She was happy to do this because she often interjected in the reg cycles and therefore she claimed "50/50" on these commissions. While hard working Sea Org Members had insufficient funds to buy coffee, Debbie had her lovely car and the BSO drove a Pontiac. In a single year she earned as CO FSO an outstanding sum and when some of those over-regged people attempted to claw back money or get financial aid, she instead ordered them to ethics. Not COB, she did.

In addition to this, Debbie when confronted with the massive budget crisis rather than cut the luxury expenses of Flag for it's executives, instead ordered all staff to have 2 minutes showers to reduce costs and then had the FSO Accountant find ways of cutting costs - his solution which she approved was to cut red meat from the diet of all staff. She of course, ate rather well. She herself had her quarters upgraded to what could only be called "a palace" even before she was married violating the rules on Sea Org Members having shared quarters until marriage. While other staff were made to do Clean Ship Project on Saturdays, Debbie instead had her communicator clean her place and she would go off and spend time driving.

Upgrades at the Hacienda gardens which were to be air conditioners during the punishing summers was instead handled with staff crammed into tighter quarters. FSO earning 60-70 million per week was "insufficient" to warrant the expense of $50,000 in air conditioners.

Debbie Cook herself knew and approved several persons onto OT VII who had known sex offenses against children and their own siblings and allowed them to proceed "if they donationed generous sums which oddly often included massive book purchases for "libraries" thus reaping commissions. Rather than reporting to the police or interpol what these scum bags actually did, they agreed to let them do ethics conditions instead. She knowingly approved and assisted in the hiding of several Sea Org staff who were sent from overseas locations who were the subject of attempts by their families to recover them. Her orders were to not allow any communications letters, phone calls or otherwise to get to them. Yes, I have names of those Sea Org Members. They were put on staff training programs.

Debbie herself played along with CMO to send over 100 staff on missions to Flag Land Base who were then told "Surprise, you are not going anywhere" when the Sea Org members complained that they were now thousands of miles from their children or spouses, Debbie had them thrown onto the decks as out-ethics and cut communication via telephones for those Sea Org Members. Many of them were given committee's of evidence or thrown into the RPF for defiance.

It was Debbie Cook more than CMO CW that ordered Beans and Rice which extended to budget cuts for Sea Org Children who received very poor quality food and Debbie made the point to argue "You're the parents, you pay for it," to those who complained. Easy for her to say.

Debbie Cook witnessed and allowed Sea Org children to be with COB during his visits for periods extending from 7AM to 2AM in the morning. She gladly "gave" sea org children over to COB in this respect. She approved the FLB budgets for rooms for COB and his staff in 4 apartments that cost more than the entire budget for 3 years for all staff food. the rooms consisted of imported rugs, marble form Italy and Spain and exercise equipment that was state-of-the-art at the time.

During COBs visits and also those of Missions from CMO Int often orders were issued for beans and rice as punishments, yet she ordered and allowed in the budget catered food from Flag Crew Restaurants for herself and the mission staff. Under Flag Order rule, for every mission sent into an organization, a staff member had to be given up as exchange for the mission. She did not want to give up her staff so allowed them to select a member of CMO Clearwater and in their place a child was talen from the cadet org (usually 12-14 years old) and put through training.

She herself often had meals ordered (with her lavish accounts) food from the restaurants at Flag while the others ate Beans and Rice. Debbie Cook with the Flag Land Base Finance Director approved all budgets and it was Debbie - not her executive team that had cut bedding, water supplies for showers, food, all medal expenses removed for staff and even orders for reduced electricity use on the rooms ordering "lights out". Staff with immigration issues were first asked to contact their families back home to obtain funds with the "promise" of a returning vacation. In 2 years Debbie from a staff of 1,500 approved less than 10 CSWs for people to take annual leave and the rest were denied - she did this.

She also knowingly had hundreds of OTs invited to Flag and knowing they were using all available credit and were in immense debt directly ordered them to ethics HERSELF if they did not give more. This happened when Sue, WDC FSO at the time came to Flag and ordered the Gross Income up. OTs were told to come to flag and were squeezed so hard Debbie had a specialist ethics team on hand to immediately put them on routing forms to ethics if they did not comply. In the same area where they were told to give they had HCO staff on hand with routing forms ready to route them.

So let's set the record very straight on Debbie Cook. Those who worked above her knew it which is why she was kept at the helm of Flag for so long. There were few Sea Org members capable of doing this with a straight face. I find it ironic that she would hold tears recalling the hole when she herself at Flag ordered SO MANY Sea Org members away from their kids onto decks with orders for no communication.

When the amnesties were announced her concern was the fact that there would be no more slave labor to build FSO and with CMO pushed to have exemptions issued so that RPFers could not leave the RPF. Such a compassionate lady.

She was brutal. Even most Messengers watched themselves even around her as she was not replaceable so she couldn't be screamed at particularly (although it still happened).

Any one defending her doesn't know Debbie Cook at all and is hearing Public Relations chatter. What Marty says COB does to staff is a crime and Debbie was almost as bad - they were pretty close in that respect - just ask her executive team, I am sure they can impart some horror stories that will make your hair stand on edge.

If you can excuse her behavior, I suggest to re-read it again and as with the information I provide it might take a year or two to verify it, but it will pan-out if you can find others with first hand experience working with or under her at FLAG and everything I have accounted for is first hand knowledge.
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Re: Truth About Debbie Cook as Capt FSO

Post by cakemaker » Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:35 am

Thank you for this Mirna.
I passed the link to ESMB.
One thing that should be clarified is the "7AM to 2AM" quote re COB and children.
Should it be 7PM to 2AM or 7AM to 2PM?
Any more info on this? Sounds extremely serious as an allegation.

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Re: Truth About Debbie Cook as Capt FSO

Post by I'mglib » Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:40 am

Hi, MirnaMinkoff. Wow!

That's quite a post.

First of all, we have problems with spammers and new accounts, too. It's a constant problem, and just when we think we're winning, the spammers figure out something new, and they're back in force. Sometimes legitimate people get accidentally banned, or their posts get un-approved. I can only guess that something like that happened on ESMB.

Now to Debbie Cook. There seems to be a perpetual debate about how to feel about ex-members who may have behaved very badly while they were in. I am a person who is very forgiving, and I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, or believe that people change.

On the other hand I understand that a lot of people are very angry, and they don't want to forgive or forget.

Looking the other way when children are sexually molested or raped is obviously terrible. But if this were a court of law, the names, places and details would need to be known. I could see it happening, but who knows.

The heavy regging, and the abuse of RPFers is another thing that could obviously happen. Might even be likely.

I personally think it's a shame she and her husband aren't speaking up. So many others are. I wonder why she isn't. She must have gotten a lot of money. Is it reasonable to expect people to walk away from the money and to speak up. For me, I wouldn't trade my freedom of speech. But I have a job etc.

I am sure this will get posted at ESMB, but thanks for posting it here.
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Re: Truth About Debbie Cook as Capt FSO

Post by MirnaMinkoff » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:10 pm

cakemaker wrote:Thank you for this Mirna.
I passed the link to ESMB.
One thing that should be clarified is the "7AM to 2AM" quote re COB and children.
Should it be 7PM to 2AM or 7AM to 2PM?
Any more info on this? Sounds extremely serious as an allegation.
Thanks.

7 am to 2 am is correct. There was no consideration of child labor laws or a problem seen with children working 20 hours straight. It only happened at one to two weeks at a time when COB visited, but it did happen.

I could ask for any more details he/she might care to add on this subject. Will post when or if they respond. If there's anything specific you want to ask post it here.

EDIT: Before anyone pipes up about it - the person who wrote the statement DID talk to the FBI several years ago. They gave a complete in-person interview to an agent about the above matters. They didn't particularly want to go public with their stories but did want something to be done by the legal system. I can't say either way what was or wasn't done with the information because I don't know. The only thing I do know is they took particular interest in the human trafficking aspect above all other matters.

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Re: Truth About Debbie Cook as Capt FSO

Post by i-Betty » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:40 pm

When the amnesties were announced...
Hi Mirna, please could you explain what the amnesties were all about, and who called them?

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Re: Truth About Debbie Cook as Capt FSO

Post by MirnaMinkoff » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:34 am

i-Betty wrote:
When the amnesties were announced...
Hi Mirna, please could you explain what the amnesties were all about, and who called them?
I'm going to wait until there are several questions up so I'm not pestering the source too often.

However, from past convos MY understanding is there have been several amenisties over the years, but this specific one was around 1991 - near the IRS tax exemption. Amenisties were issued by Church of Scientology and your overts would be forgiven if you came in to do O/W. also it got SO members off the RPF.

I think many former scientologists could here explain amnesties in great detail and better than I could.

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Re: Truth About Debbie Cook as Capt FSO

Post by Demented Source » Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:34 pm

When soldiers of a country that started a war are put on trial for the atrocities committed on a battlefield, they are usually acquitted because they were following the orders from their commanders. I think that the same criterion should be applied to former SO members and staff members.

Debbie was not a soldier of CoS, in regular army she would have had a rank of a Major, or something like that. Still her rank was not high enough to accuse her of perpetuating CoS atrocities.

The story of multiple rapes is reprehensible, but I am sure that Debbie was following the DM instructions about suppressing information about rape incidents occurring within the cult.

I agree with the assertion that former public Scientologists are more willing to forgive Debbie than former Sea Org members. During my 2 year involvement with Scientology I was, for most part, a public Scientologist although I spent 5 months working for Sea Org. Personally I was not subjected to any abuse other than the long work hours, so it is easy for me to say that Debbie should not be judged harshly for her past transgressions.
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Post by AngryGayPope » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:15 pm

All Scientologists are victims and victimizers simultaneously. Nevertheless. She should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for her crimes unless she turns states evidence and spills her guts. Instead she ran off with a payout and has not been heard from.

I hate that bitch!

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Re: Truth About Debbie Cook as Capt FSO

Post by mr_bad » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:03 am

Demented Source wrote:When soldiers of a country that started a war are put on trial for the atrocities committed on a battlefield, they are usually acquitted because they were following the orders from their commanders. I think that the same criterion should be applied to former SO members and staff members.

Debbie was not a soldier of CoS, in regular army she would have had a rank of a Major, or something like that. Still her rank was not high enough to accuse her of perpetuating CoS atrocities.

The story of multiple rapes is reprehensible, but I am sure that Debbie was following the DM instructions about suppressing information about rape incidents occurring within the cult.

I agree with the assertion that former public Scientologists are more willing to forgive Debbie than former Sea Org members. During my 2 year involvement with Scientology I was, for most part, a public Scientologist although I spent 5 months working for Sea Org. Personally I was not subjected to any abuse other than the long work hours, so it is easy for me to say that Debbie should not be judged harshly for her past transgressions.
This letter answers a lot of questions.

As someone who observed behavior as a SO member 2 years at CC Int, I don't buy it. I think Debbie should be judged harshly, and it's easy for me to say.

She was making conscious decisions. The fact that she sank so low doesn't have much to do with DM. That's her character. She's a scumbag who worked for a scumbag organization. If you can be cruel, calculating, and never think twice about it, $cientology is the perfect place for you. The shitty things she did is a testament to her character and how despicable "the tech" is. It's a two-way street.

I never saw Debbie. I've never been to Flag. But, I spent 2 years at CC and the shit I saw was no different. Dave Petit and Karen Hollander had very similar situations to Debbie, and they were every bit as cold blooded except they did it with a bit of panache.

Even more than that, I went all around and spent time at various orgs, it's the same were ever you go in $cientology. From the smallest mission to biggest Class V, there are people there behaving like Debbi Cook because this is the transformative nature of $cientology. You have to remember that Tubby was Luciferian and believed in "Do as thou wilt"
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Re: Truth About Debbie Cook as Capt FSO

Post by i-Betty » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:53 pm

Yes, please don't bother your friend too often on our behalf. But when you do, send him/her our best. Thank you, Mirna.

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Re: Truth About Debbie Cook as Capt FSO

Post by Lron's socks » Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:00 am

MirnaMinkoff wrote:
Debbie Cook witnessed and allowed Sea Org children to be with COB during his visits for periods extending from 7AM to 2AM in the morning. She gladly "gave" sea org children over to COB in this respect.
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Does that mean...what I think it means?

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Re: Truth About Debbie Cook as Capt FSO

Post by mr_bad » Tue Jul 08, 2014 5:50 am

Lron's socks wrote:
MirnaMinkoff wrote:
Debbie Cook witnessed and allowed Sea Org children to be with COB during his visits for periods extending from 7AM to 2AM in the morning. She gladly "gave" sea org children over to COB in this respect.
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Does that mean...what I think it means?
That David Miscavige is a lover of young boys?

It wouldn't surprise me. It would actually explain things.
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Re: Truth About Debbie Cook as Capt FSO

Post by villagedianne » Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:59 pm

Another person who did not have anything good to say about Debbie Cook was Maria Pia Gardini. Gardini was a wealthy woman who was also an auditor at flag. Through viscious reg cycles they bled her dry. Debbie Cook bought a 40K car from commissions she got on Gardini's donations. She was one of the few early defectors (before Anonymous) to speak out. Here is search page for Maria Pia Gardini/Debbie Cook:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=ma ... ebbie+cook

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Re: Truth About Debbie Cook as Capt FSO

Post by i-Betty » Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:19 pm

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Maria Pia Gardini seems like a fascinating woman with a really interesting story. I'm going to research her a bit more. Thanks, Dianne :)

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Re: Truth About Debbie Cook as Capt FSO

Post by Nom de Plume » Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:30 pm

If I were running a PSYOPS and multi-million-dollar scam, you can believe I'd create an "IMF" (Mission Impossible Force) to throw my critics off the trail, dragging several "red herrings" to send them off into pointless directions away from my real motives and operations.

That IMF team would include long-time, trusted soldiers, like, say, Cook, Rinder, Rathbun, etc...

And they would yammer publicly about being slapped around, finding cameras in birdhouses, being forced to salute dogs, and whatnot. But certainly not about anything important enough to be a threat if revealed.

Thus, when someone like Senator Xenophon of Australia was spearheading a potentially dangerous putsch against my operations, AND, simultaneously adding to my headaches, one of my top ops there (Jan Eastgate) was being accused of hiding yet another inter-church child molestation, I'd send my ops over there to make it suddenly, mysteriously go "all quiet".

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