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Post by 'Alert' » Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:49 pm

theta_entheta wrote:Jeez, Scientologists volunteering on the gulf coast has been written up in random news stories from ones by naomi klein (http://www.leftturn.org/Articles/Viewer ... 717&type=W) to the village voice (http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0538,k ... 966,2.html) to many other places. and often with that ever-so-helpful tinge of snark.

people were giving out water, putting organization in among volunteers, people were helping. that's what was happening. Of all the things critics attack Scientologists for, this one kind of takes the cake.

And there were some AMAZING success stories and emails that were sent around. But they were written by Scientologists, which makes them somehow invalid. Never mind what critics come on here and say...
How about the BBC Five Report in regard to motivation for VM's and their REAL intent? BBC Five Live Report Sunday July 2, 2006
red wrote:FEMALE ANNOUNCER: ... on Five Live.

JULIAN WORRICKER: This Friday, the country will remember the first anniversary of the London bombings. We've heard many stories about the rescue work, the emergency services carried out that day, but what is less well known is that alongside them were Volunteer Ministers from Scientology.

This morning the Five Live Report goes undercover to investigate how, from the London bombings to Ground Zero, Volunteer Ministers from Scientology travel the world providing what they claim is effective help in times of peril.


[Clip]
MAN: Yeah.
ELODIE HARPER: Did they do anything like that after the London bombings, or –
WOMAN: Yes. Oh, yes.
WOMAN: All of it.
WOMAN: We all went.
MAN: We had a yellow van which was going around to help.
PAUL FLETCHER: We all went. We were all there.
ELODIE HARPER: You were all there?
STEFANIA CISCO: Oh, yeah.
ELODIE HARPER: And you went – Whereabouts did you go? Were you –
STEFANIA CISCO: The taxi stand where all the –
WOMAN: Russell Square.
MAN: [Inaudible]
STEFANIA CISCO: Russell Square. We were part of the emergency and we helped –

[End clip]


JULIAN WORRICKER: We also reveal how the world's biggest single terrorist attack became an opportunity for one big recruitment drive.


[Clip]
BRUCE HINES: So, at Ground Zero, then, they wanted to keep psychiatrists or other forms of counseling – um – out of the activities there.

[End clip]


JULIAN WORRICKER: And how conventional psychiatrists are under fire from the Scientologists.


[Clip]
DR. PHILIP HODSON: If you start off in an organization which begins with a science-fiction novel as the basis for its beliefs of the world and the universe, and from that point of view is proposing to criticize, say, the way in which we understand the schizophrenias in 2006, I'm afraid – um – I'm not going to take part in the conversation.

[End clip]


JULIAN WORRICKER: Well, investigating this for the Five Live Report were Elodie Harper and Naomi MacMullan, and Elodie joins me this morning.

Morning, Elodie.

We've all heard of Scientology. Just remind us what it is.


ELODIE HARPER: Well, firstly, although it's often called a church, officially it actually isn’t – or certainly not in this country – as the Charities Commission denied it that right in 1999, as it failed to promote, in their words, moral or spiritual welfare.

It is recognized as a religion in some other countries, though, including the U.S.A., where, as we know, it has a very high-profile following. Its belief system is based on the writings of L. Ron Hubbard, and particularly his book from 1950, which is called Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health.


JULIAN WORRICKER: You went undercover – um – to a meeting of the Citizens Commission on Human Rights. Now what exactly is that?


ELODIE HARPER: Well, we went to three meetings of the CCHR, or Citizens Commission of [sic] Human Rights, which is a wing of Scientology dedicated to fighting psychiatry, which it says is the reason why our society is failing.

The meetings were led by Paul Fletcher, who's the director of CCHR’s London branch and Stefania Cisco, a Director of Special Affairs for Scientology. And watching over us while we met was an imposing six-foot-high portrait of L. Ron Hubbard, which dominated the meeting room, along with rows and rows of his books. And much of the meetings were spent watching videos which set out Scientology’s views on psychiatry and why they believe it's harmful to us.


JULIAN WORRICKER: Right, so how is this linked to their work on the 7th of July last year?


ELODIE HARPER: Well, CCHR believes that mental illnesses, including post-traumatic stress disorder, don't actually exist, but are just a fraud invented by psychiatrists as part of a plan to gain social control. And they also believe psychiatrists, or psychs, as they call them, are so dangerous that Scientology actually has a duty to protect the public from them in times of crisis.

And we discovered that was exactly what they tried to do on the streets of London on the day of the bombings almost twelve months ago.


[Clip]
ELODIE HARPER: I was reading on the CCHR web site how, like, CCHR went out after 9/11.
PAUL FLETCHER: Right. Yeah.
WOMAN: Mm.
ELODIE HARPER: You know, goes to the site and say you – look, you don’t have to go to a psychiatrist.
PAUL FLETCHER: That was our Volunteer Ministers.
ELODIE HARPER: That was Volunteer Ministers?
PAUL FLETCHER: Yeah.
ELODIE HARPER: Did they do anything like that after the London bombings, or –
WOMAN: Yes. Oh, yes.
WOMAN: All of it.
WOMAN: Big time.
WOMAN: We all went then.
MAN: We had a yellow van which was going around to help.
PAUL FLETCHER: We all went. We were all there.
ELODIE HARPER: You were all there?
STEFANIA CISCO: Oh, yeah.
ELODIE HARPER: And you went -- Whereabouts did you go? Were you –
STEFANIA CISCO: The taxi stand where all the --
WOMAN: Russell Square.
MAN: [Inaudible]
STEFANIA CISCO: Russell Square. We were part of the emergency and we helped quite a lot –
PAUL FLETCHER: And the – Do you remember the Redding train disaster?
ELODIE HARPER: Mm-hmm.
PAUL FLETCHER: We went there, too.
STEFANIA CISCO: We were there.
PAUL FLETCHER: [Inaudible]
ELODIE HARPER: Um -- and what kind of help and support did you offer?
PAUL FLETCHER: Well, we – we just offered whatever they need, you know, if they need, sort of, like, assists or [inaudible] locationals or they just want people to help with the cleaning up [inaudible].
ELODIE HARPER: Mm-hmm.
STEFANIA CISCO: Just -- people are distressed, so you know, you want -- you – the opportunity for psychs when they are distressed, okay, you need counseling [mimics sound of an explosion]. You go in [snaps fingers] – that's it. Um – we tried to keep them away. Spiritual –
PAUL FLETCHER: Yeah.
[Laughter]
PAUL FLETCHER: Spiritual security.
[Laughter]
ELODIE HARPER: Spiritual security.
[Laughter]
PAUL FLETCHER: Yeah.
WOMAN: Spiritual security
PAUL FLETCHER: Fighting the psychiatrists; keeping the psychs away.
ELODIE HARPER: And do you think you got through to people on 7/7?
STEFANIA CISCO: Oh, yeah.

[End clip]
ELODIE HARPER: What you just heard there was Paul Fletcher telling us that he and other Scientologists were keeping the psychs away when they went to help trauma victims amongst all the chaos of the day. And Stefania jokingly refers to it as a type of spiritual security needed to save people from the threat of receiving psychological counseling.


JULIAN WORRICKER: But – um – Paul Fletcher did say, didn't he, that the Scientologists on the ground – the – the Volunteer Ministers – helped out – um – by offering cups of tea to the rescue workers and that clearly is a valuable role.


ELODIE HARPER: Yes, it is. Absolutely. But he does also refer to practicing what are called touch assists and locationals on trauma victims. Now, in particular, touch assists involve touching the person in order to put them into – in contact with the place of their physical or psychological injury. And these techniques are a form of faith healing – healing based on Scientology's teachings about how the human mind works.


JULIAN WORRICKER: Clearly this is a difficult time – the week ahead – for the survivors and families of the London bombings. Um – Has there been any reaction from them?


ELODIE HARPER: Yes, there has. We spoke to one survivor of the 7/7 bombings who has some mental health training and was also approached by Scientologists after the disaster. They didn't want to be identified, but they did tell us how they were shocked that they and fellow survivors were targeted by Scientologists trying to recruit them and talking of Dianetics therapy as if it were a – a medically recognized form of therapy.


JULIAN WORRICKER: Right, well, let – let's broaden the conversation, because it's not just at – um – 7/7, is it, that Scientologists have been seeking out – um – trauma victims?


ELODIE HARPER: No, it isn't. Not at all. I mean, in the days after the attacks on the World Trade Center in 2001, the National Mental Health Association in America warned people, in their words, to beware of Scientologists claiming to be mental health experts after they flooded the disaster zone with their Volunteer Ministers, who are the sort of worker ants of the organization.

So volunteers raced down to the Twin Towers from their Fifth Avenue headquarters, and from across the U.S.A. in the hours after the Twin Towers were hit.

We spoke to the NMHA, who did confirm this to us, and we also spoke to Bruce Hines, who is now an ex-Scientologist after 30 years in the organization, and he was one of those ordered to Lower Manhattan on the morning of September the 11th.


[Clip]
BRUCE HINES: Scientologists believe that they have the only answers to problems of the mind and the spirit and that sort of thing, and that no one else does, including other religions. They will say that they – um – accept other religions, but in reality they are – they think only Scientologists have the answers.

And starting way back in the '50s – um – L. Ron Hubbard began attacking psychiatry, and there’s been sort of a battle going on ever since then. They’ve stated several times they want to destroy psychiatry.

So, at Ground Zero, then, they wanted to keep psychiatrists or other forms of counseling – um – out of the activities there.

[End clip]


ELODIE HARPER: And alarmingly, he also told Five Live that he wasn’t only told to keep medically trained counselors away.


[Clip]
BRUCE HINES: I know there was, like, organized buses coming up from Florida, where there's a large Scientology center. Lots from California and from all around. So it ended up that there were hundreds going down there, probably every day. The idea was to get as many people as possible in yellow T-shirts down at Ground Zero, because the yellow T-shirts are very visible -- just sort of to make an impact that way – and there's always the hope that someone who gets involved will then continue with Scientology.

[End clip]
And all the stills of VM's 'helping' are nothing more than a means to convince parishoners at every event and in every publication for a supplement of 'agreement'.
Bigotry you say?
You sound like Bernie SueZanne_entheta.
Or is that theta_marie?
Whatever the case may be, VM's dont DONT bring food, water, MONEY..all they bring is apparency for the camera shots and dianetics books with assists..OH and of course running interference on REAL Health Professionals.
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Post by 'Alert' » Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:40 am

Where are you 'theta_entheta'? You were very quick to say that VM's do so much in your estimation but have nothing to comment on something that scientologists know and laugh about when dealing with disaster relief. Musta really pissed off DM to have an infiltrator record the conspiricay to run interference on REAL Medical Professionals? But that (the VM issue) doesent really bother you, as youre another fee$one sockpuppet that has been periodically trotted out for one purpose.
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Post by Whitedove » Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:02 pm

'Alert' wrote:
theta_entheta wrote:Jeez, Scientologists volunteering on the gulf coast has been written up in random news stories from ones by naomi klein (http://www.leftturn.org/Articles/Viewer ... 717&type=W) to the village voice (http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0538,k ... 966,2.html) to many other places. and often with that ever-so-helpful tinge of snark.

people were giving out water, putting organization in among volunteers, people were helping. that's what was happening. Of all the things critics attack Scientologists for, this one kind of takes the cake.

And there were some AMAZING success stories and emails that were sent around. But they were written by Scientologists, which makes them somehow invalid. Never mind what critics come on here and say...
How about the BBC Five Report in regard to motivation for VM's and their REAL intent? BBC Five Live Report Sunday July 2, 2006
red wrote:FEMALE ANNOUNCER: ... on Five Live.

JULIAN WORRICKER: This Friday, the country will remember the first anniversary of the London bombings. We've heard many stories about the rescue work, the emergency services carried out that day, but what is less well known is that alongside them were Volunteer Ministers from Scientology.

This morning the Five Live Report goes undercover to investigate how, from the London bombings to Ground Zero, Volunteer Ministers from Scientology travel the world providing what they claim is effective help in times of peril.


[Clip]
MAN: Yeah.
ELODIE HARPER: Did they do anything like that after the London bombings, or –
WOMAN: Yes. Oh, yes.
WOMAN: All of it.
WOMAN: We all went.
MAN: We had a yellow van which was going around to help.
PAUL FLETCHER: We all went. We were all there.
ELODIE HARPER: You were all there?
STEFANIA CISCO: Oh, yeah.
ELODIE HARPER: And you went – Whereabouts did you go? Were you –
STEFANIA CISCO: The taxi stand where all the –
WOMAN: Russell Square.
MAN: [Inaudible]
STEFANIA CISCO: Russell Square. We were part of the emergency and we helped –

[End clip]


JULIAN WORRICKER: We also reveal how the world's biggest single terrorist attack became an opportunity for one big recruitment drive.


[Clip]
BRUCE HINES: So, at Ground Zero, then, they wanted to keep psychiatrists or other forms of counseling – um – out of the activities there.

[End clip]


JULIAN WORRICKER: And how conventional psychiatrists are under fire from the Scientologists.


[Clip]
DR. PHILIP HODSON: If you start off in an organization which begins with a science-fiction novel as the basis for its beliefs of the world and the universe, and from that point of view is proposing to criticize, say, the way in which we understand the schizophrenias in 2006, I'm afraid – um – I'm not going to take part in the conversation.

[End clip]


JULIAN WORRICKER: Well, investigating this for the Five Live Report were Elodie Harper and Naomi MacMullan, and Elodie joins me this morning.

Morning, Elodie.

We've all heard of Scientology. Just remind us what it is.


ELODIE HARPER: Well, firstly, although it's often called a church, officially it actually isn’t – or certainly not in this country – as the Charities Commission denied it that right in 1999, as it failed to promote, in their words, moral or spiritual welfare.

It is recognized as a religion in some other countries, though, including the U.S.A., where, as we know, it has a very high-profile following. Its belief system is based on the writings of L. Ron Hubbard, and particularly his book from 1950, which is called Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health.


JULIAN WORRICKER: You went undercover – um – to a meeting of the Citizens Commission on Human Rights. Now what exactly is that?


ELODIE HARPER: Well, we went to three meetings of the CCHR, or Citizens Commission of [sic] Human Rights, which is a wing of Scientology dedicated to fighting psychiatry, which it says is the reason why our society is failing.

The meetings were led by Paul Fletcher, who's the director of CCHR’s London branch and Stefania Cisco, a Director of Special Affairs for Scientology. And watching over us while we met was an imposing six-foot-high portrait of L. Ron Hubbard, which dominated the meeting room, along with rows and rows of his books. And much of the meetings were spent watching videos which set out Scientology’s views on psychiatry and why they believe it's harmful to us.


JULIAN WORRICKER: Right, so how is this linked to their work on the 7th of July last year?


ELODIE HARPER: Well, CCHR believes that mental illnesses, including post-traumatic stress disorder, don't actually exist, but are just a fraud invented by psychiatrists as part of a plan to gain social control. And they also believe psychiatrists, or psychs, as they call them, are so dangerous that Scientology actually has a duty to protect the public from them in times of crisis.

And we discovered that was exactly what they tried to do on the streets of London on the day of the bombings almost twelve months ago.


[Clip]
ELODIE HARPER: I was reading on the CCHR web site how, like, CCHR went out after 9/11.
PAUL FLETCHER: Right. Yeah.
WOMAN: Mm.
ELODIE HARPER: You know, goes to the site and say you – look, you don’t have to go to a psychiatrist.
PAUL FLETCHER: That was our Volunteer Ministers.
ELODIE HARPER: That was Volunteer Ministers?
PAUL FLETCHER: Yeah.
ELODIE HARPER: Did they do anything like that after the London bombings, or –
WOMAN: Yes. Oh, yes.
WOMAN: All of it.
WOMAN: Big time.
WOMAN: We all went then.
MAN: We had a yellow van which was going around to help.
PAUL FLETCHER: We all went. We were all there.
ELODIE HARPER: You were all there?
STEFANIA CISCO: Oh, yeah.
ELODIE HARPER: And you went -- Whereabouts did you go? Were you –
STEFANIA CISCO: The taxi stand where all the --
WOMAN: Russell Square.
MAN: [Inaudible]
STEFANIA CISCO: Russell Square. We were part of the emergency and we helped quite a lot –
PAUL FLETCHER: And the – Do you remember the Redding train disaster?
ELODIE HARPER: Mm-hmm.
PAUL FLETCHER: We went there, too.
STEFANIA CISCO: We were there.
PAUL FLETCHER: [Inaudible]
ELODIE HARPER: Um -- and what kind of help and support did you offer?
PAUL FLETCHER: Well, we – we just offered whatever they need, you know, if they need, sort of, like, assists or [inaudible] locationals or they just want people to help with the cleaning up [inaudible].
ELODIE HARPER: Mm-hmm.
STEFANIA CISCO: Just -- people are distressed, so you know, you want -- you – the opportunity for psychs when they are distressed, okay, you need counseling [mimics sound of an explosion]. You go in [snaps fingers] – that's it. Um – we tried to keep them away. Spiritual –
PAUL FLETCHER: Yeah.
[Laughter]
PAUL FLETCHER: Spiritual security.
[Laughter]
ELODIE HARPER: Spiritual security.
[Laughter]
PAUL FLETCHER: Yeah.
WOMAN: Spiritual security
PAUL FLETCHER: Fighting the psychiatrists; keeping the psychs away.
ELODIE HARPER: And do you think you got through to people on 7/7?
STEFANIA CISCO: Oh, yeah.

[End clip]
ELODIE HARPER: What you just heard there was Paul Fletcher telling us that he and other Scientologists were keeping the psychs away when they went to help trauma victims amongst all the chaos of the day. And Stefania jokingly refers to it as a type of spiritual security needed to save people from the threat of receiving psychological counseling.


JULIAN WORRICKER: But – um – Paul Fletcher did say, didn't he, that the Scientologists on the ground – the – the Volunteer Ministers – helped out – um – by offering cups of tea to the rescue workers and that clearly is a valuable role.


ELODIE HARPER: Yes, it is. Absolutely. But he does also refer to practicing what are called touch assists and locationals on trauma victims. Now, in particular, touch assists involve touching the person in order to put them into – in contact with the place of their physical or psychological injury. And these techniques are a form of faith healing – healing based on Scientology's teachings about how the human mind works.


JULIAN WORRICKER: Clearly this is a difficult time – the week ahead – for the survivors and families of the London bombings. Um – Has there been any reaction from them?


ELODIE HARPER: Yes, there has. We spoke to one survivor of the 7/7 bombings who has some mental health training and was also approached by Scientologists after the disaster. They didn't want to be identified, but they did tell us how they were shocked that they and fellow survivors were targeted by Scientologists trying to recruit them and talking of Dianetics therapy as if it were a – a medically recognized form of therapy.


JULIAN WORRICKER: Right, well, let – let's broaden the conversation, because it's not just at – um – 7/7, is it, that Scientologists have been seeking out – um – trauma victims?


ELODIE HARPER: No, it isn't. Not at all. I mean, in the days after the attacks on the World Trade Center in 2001, the National Mental Health Association in America warned people, in their words, to beware of Scientologists claiming to be mental health experts after they flooded the disaster zone with their Volunteer Ministers, who are the sort of worker ants of the organization.

So volunteers raced down to the Twin Towers from their Fifth Avenue headquarters, and from across the U.S.A. in the hours after the Twin Towers were hit.

We spoke to the NMHA, who did confirm this to us, and we also spoke to Bruce Hines, who is now an ex-Scientologist after 30 years in the organization, and he was one of those ordered to Lower Manhattan on the morning of September the 11th.


[Clip]
BRUCE HINES: Scientologists believe that they have the only answers to problems of the mind and the spirit and that sort of thing, and that no one else does, including other religions. They will say that they – um – accept other religions, but in reality they are – they think only Scientologists have the answers.

And starting way back in the '50s – um – L. Ron Hubbard began attacking psychiatry, and there’s been sort of a battle going on ever since then. They’ve stated several times they want to destroy psychiatry.

So, at Ground Zero, then, they wanted to keep psychiatrists or other forms of counseling – um – out of the activities there.

[End clip]


ELODIE HARPER: And alarmingly, he also told Five Live that he wasn’t only told to keep medically trained counselors away.


[Clip]
BRUCE HINES: I know there was, like, organized buses coming up from Florida, where there's a large Scientology center. Lots from California and from all around. So it ended up that there were hundreds going down there, probably every day. The idea was to get as many people as possible in yellow T-shirts down at Ground Zero, because the yellow T-shirts are very visible -- just sort of to make an impact that way – and there's always the hope that someone who gets involved will then continue with Scientology.

[End clip]
Thanks Alert! I didnt know about the VMs telling people NOT to seek psychological help. :shock:
I knew they were going to give assists and stuff like that and I knew they werent giving anything away but shit I had no clue they went THAT far!
It does make sense though.
Let me digest this for awhile :x
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Post by mr_bad » Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:57 pm

Wow Whitedove!!

That's scary. They try to block psychologists and psychiatrists during natural disasters and terrorist attacks. As if, buying a $350K bridge to nowhere is "sane" alternative. Jesus Christ. That's an outrage!

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Post by 'Alert' » Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:33 am

mr_bad wrote:Wow Whitedove!!

That's scary. They try to block psychologists and psychiatrists during natural disasters and terrorist attacks. As if, buying a $350K bridge to nowhere is "sane" alternative. Jesus Christ. That's an outrage!

mb
I realize you are responding to WhiteDove Mr_ Bad, but I wish to just asy that it's rather ironic the abscence of the person who wa claiming the VM's do so much in so many places and is reported wide and far about theVM's efforts. But since a repost of an excerpt from the transcript of the BBC Five Alive Report..nothing from the sockpuppets that wanted to champiuon the VM's who are nothing more than Vu7ltures programmed to be so at the hands of LRH and his 'agreed upon'.

It's been said before..but what do VM's take to disaster relief? Nothing more than themselves and books of DMSMH and 'assists'..OH! and of course the belief that psychs are bad and for people to get REAL trained Medical Professionals is bad. Scientolobots have ALWAYS bragged about attacking psychs and the BBC Five alive programme exposed it in all it's glory and could not be defended.
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Post by Whitedove » Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:04 pm

'Alert' wrote:
mr_bad wrote:Wow Whitedove!!

That's scary. They try to block psychologists and psychiatrists during natural disasters and terrorist attacks. As if, buying a $350K bridge to nowhere is "sane" alternative. Jesus Christ. That's an outrage!

mb
I realize you are responding to WhiteDove Mr_ Bad, but I wish to just asy that it's rather ironic the abscence of the person who wa claiming the VM's do so much in so many places and is reported wide and far about theVM's efforts. But since a repost of an excerpt from the transcript of the BBC Five Alive Report..nothing from the sockpuppets that wanted to champiuon the VM's who are nothing more than Vu7ltures programmed to be so at the hands of LRH and his 'agreed upon'.

It's been said before..but what do VM's take to disaster relief? Nothing more than themselves and books of DMSMH and 'assists'..OH! and of course the belief that psychs are bad and for people to get REAL trained Medical Professionals is bad. Scientolobots have ALWAYS bragged about attacking psychs and the BBC Five alive programme exposed it in all it's glory and could not be defended.
Thanks Mr. Bad. I was like many people responding to a post.
But you cant be like by everyone 'shrug'.
I still will keep talking as I do. In my own way.
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