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RTC lets UK trademarks expire

Post by Smersh » Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:30 pm

Trade mark details as at 27 February 2008
Case details for Trade Mark 1271775
Case history
Licensee details, where held, are available via Case historyMark

Mark text: FALSE PURPOSE RUNDOWN Status
Status: Expired Class: 16 Status before death: Registered Relevant dates
Filing date: 21 July 1986 Next renewal date: 21 July 2007 Expiry date: 23 July 2007 Progress stopped: 23 July 2007

Publication in Trade Marks Journal
First advert: Journal: 5677 Page: 1348 Publication date: 01 July 1987 Renewal: Journal: 5988 Publication date: 18 August 1993

Expiry: Journal: 6697 Publication date: 17 August 2007 Removal: Journal: 6722 Publication date: 08 February 2008 List of

goods or services
Class 16: Printed matter, books, instructional and teaching material (other than apparatus).
Names and addresses
Proprietor: Religious Technology Center
1710 Ivar Avenue, Los Angeles, California, United States of America Incorporated state: California Incorporated country:

United States of America Residence country: United States of America ADP number: 0078685001 Other cases owned by this

proprietor

Service: Forrester Ketley & Co.
Forrester House, 52 Bounds Green Road, London, N11 2EY ADP number: 0000133001

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/tm/t-find/t-find- ... rk=1271775
Trade mark details as at 27 February 2008
Case details for Trade Mark 1439180
Case history
Licensee details, where held, are available via Case historyMark


Mark text: LIFE ORIENTATION Status
Status: Expired Class: 42 Status before death: Registered Relevant dates
Filing date: 30 August 1990 Next renewal date: 30 August 2007 Registration date: 25 September 1992 Expiry date: 31 August

2007 Progress stopped: 31 August 2007 Publication in Trade Marks Journal
First advert: Journal: 5931 Page: 5178 Publication date: 08 July 1992 Registration: Journal: 5951 Publication date: 25

November 1992 Renewal: Journal: 6196 Publication date: 08 October 1997 Expiry: Journal: 6703 Publication date: 28 September

2007 List of goods or services
Class 42: Religious and ministerial services; pastoral counselling services; all included in Class 42.
Names and addresses
Proprietor: Religious Technology Center
1710 Ivar Avenue, Los Angeles, California, United States of America Incorporated state: California Incorporated country:

United States of America Residence country: United States of America ADP number: 0078685001 Other cases owned by this

proprietor

Agent: Forrester Ketley & Co.
Forrester House, 52 Bounds Green Road, London, N11 2EY ADP number: 0000133001 Other particulars
Disclaimer: Registration of this mark shall give no right to the exclusive use, separately, of the words "Life" and

"Orientation".

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/tm/t-find/t-find- ... rk=1439180

Trade mark details as at 27 February 2008
Case details for Trade Mark 1439272
Case history
Licensee details, where held, are available via Case historyMark


Mark text: KEY TO LIFE Status
Status: Expired Class: 42 Status before death: Registered Relevant dates
Filing date: 30 August 1990 Next renewal date: 30 August 2007 Registration date: 19 March 1993 Expiry date: 31 August 2007

Progress stopped: 31 August 2007 Publication in Trade Marks Journal
First advert: Journal: 5957 Page: 239 Publication date: 13 January 1993 Registration: Journal: 5975 Publication date: 19 May

1993 Renewal: Journal: 6196 Publication date: 08 October 1997 Expiry: Journal: 6703 Publication date: 28 September 2007 List

of goods or services
Class 42: Religious and ministerial services; all included in Class 42.
Names and addresses
Proprietor: Religious Technology Center
1710 Ivar Avenue, Los Angeles, California, United States of America Incorporated state: California Incorporated country:

United States of America Residence country: United States of America ADP number: 0078685001 Other cases owned by this

proprietor

Agent: Forrester Ketley & Co.
Forrester House, 52 Bounds Green Road, London, N11 2EY ADP number: 0000133001 Other particulars
Disclaimer: Registration of this mark shall give no right to the exclusive use of the word "Life".

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/tm/t-find/t-find- ... rk=1439272

Trade mark details as at 27 February 2008
Case details for Trade Mark 1450245
Case history
Licensee details, where held, are available via Case historyMark


Mark text: FLAG Status
Status: Expired Class: 16 Status before death: Registered Relevant dates
Filing date: 13 December 1990 Next renewal date: 13 December 2007 Registration date: 17 July 1992 Expiry date: 14 December

2007 Progress stopped: 14 December 2007 Publication in Trade Marks Journal
First advert: Journal: 5924 Page: 3943 Publication date: 20 May 1992 Registration: Journal: 5941 Publication date: 16

September 1992 Renewal: Journal: 6210 Publication date: 28 January 1998 Expiry: Journal: 6718 Publication date: 11 January

2008 List of goods or services
Class 16: Printed matter; periodicals, instructional and teaching materials (other than apparatus); all included in Class 16;

but not including any of the aforesaid goods relating to flags.
Names and addresses
Proprietor: Religious Technology Center
1710 Ivar Avenue, Los Angeles, California, United States of America Incorporated state: California Incorporated country:

United States of America Residence country: United States of America ADP number: 0078685001 Other cases owned by this

proprietor

Agent: Forrester Ketley & Co.
Forrester House, 52 Bounds Green Road, London, N11 2EY ADP number: 0000133001
Service: Forrester Ketley & Co.
Forrester House, 52 Bounds Green Road, London, N11 2EY ADP number: 0000133001

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/tm/t-find/t-find- ... rk=1450245

Trade mark details as at 27 February 2008
Case details for Trade Mark 1450250
Case history
Licensee details, where held, are available via Case historyMark


Mark text: INCOMM Status
Status: Expired Class: 41 Status before death: Registered Relevant dates
Filing date: 13 December 1990 Next renewal date: 13 December 2007 Registration date: 05 June 1992 Expiry date: 14 December

2007 Progress stopped: 14 December 2007 Publication in Trade Marks Journal
First advert: Journal: 5918 Page: 2921 Publication date: 08 April 1992 Registration: Journal: 5935 Publication date: 05

August 1992 Renewal: Journal: 6210 Publication date: 28 January 1998 Expiry: Journal: 6718 Publication date: 11 January 2008

List of goods or services
Class 41: Computer training services included in Class 41.
Names and addresses
Proprietor: Religious Technology Center
1710 Ivar Avenue, Los Angeles, California, United States of America Incorporated state: California Incorporated country:

United States of America Residence country: United States of America ADP number: 0078685001 Other cases owned by this

proprietor

Agent: Forrester Ketley & Co.
Forrester House, 52 Bounds Green Road, London, N11 2EY ADP number: 0000133001

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/tm/t-find/t-find- ... rk=1450250

Trade mark details as at 27 February 2008
Case details for Trade Mark 1450290
Case history
Licensee details, where held, are available via Case historyMark


Mark text: GOLDEN ERA PRODUCTIONS Status
Status: Expired Class: 16 Status before death: Registered Relevant dates
Filing date: 13 December 1990 Next renewal date: 13 December 2007 Registration date: 24 September 1993 Expiry date: 14

December 2007 Progress stopped: 14 December 2007 Publication in Trade Marks Journal
First advert: Journal: 5982 Page: 4357 Publication date: 07 July 1993 Registration: Journal: 6001 Publication date: 17

November 1993 Renewal: Journal: 6210 Publication date: 28 January 1998 Expiry: Journal: 6718 Publication date: 11 January

2008 List of goods or services
Class 16: Printed matter, periodicals; instructional and teaching materials; brochures, pamphlets; all included in Class 16.
Names and addresses
Proprietor: Religious Technology Center
1710 Ivar Avenue, Los Angeles, California, United States of America Incorporated state: California Incorporated country:

United States of America Residence country: United States of America ADP number: 0078685001 Other cases owned by this

proprietor

Agent: Forrester Ketley & Co.
Forrester House, 52 Bounds Green Road, London, N11 2EY ADP number: 0000133001 Other particulars
Disclaimer: Registration of this mark shall give no right to the exclusive use of the word "Productions". Special

circumstances: Advertised before acceptance. Section 18(1) (proviso).

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/tm/t-find/t-find- ... rk=1450290

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Post by Vled » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:06 pm

So does that mean we can register them? ;)

What's going on here?! Can someone who knows something about this kind of stuff give us an analysis of why they would let this happen? And for that matter, what has happened?

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Post by JonDoe » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:18 pm

Vled wrote:So does that mean we can register them? ;)

What's going on here?! Can someone who knows something about this kind of stuff give us an analysis of why they would let this happen? And for that matter, what has happened?
Quick! Somebody pull a CAN.
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Post by Vled » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:24 pm

Golden Era Productions, False Purpose Rundown, and FLAG would be good ones to register no?

How much does it cost to do so? and do you have to show some kind of claim to them before you can?

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Post by Wieber » Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:25 pm

I think you need to have a company or business and a product to which the name gets attached in order to register a trade mark. I could be wrong.

Anyway False Purpose Rundown soap is a product that for some reason appeals to me.
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Post by Vled » Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:32 pm

So anybody interested in doing this? By doing so could we effectively force Co$ to pull any product (i.e books, tapes etc.) that use such trademarks?

Why aren't people more interested in this? ;)

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Post by Kilia » Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:48 pm

Vled wrote:So anybody interested in doing this? By doing so could we effectively force Co$ to pull any product (i.e books, tapes etc.) that use such trademarks?

Why aren't people more interested in this? ;)
Because it costs alot of money to register a trademark?

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Post by Pi » Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:51 pm

Attacking them on that level gives them ammo to fire at us.

Most people will see the 'hi-jacking' of their trademarks to be wrong.

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Post by Vled » Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:54 pm

Pi wrote:Attacking them on that level gives them ammo to fire at us.

Most people will see the 'hi-jacking' of their trademarks to be wrong.
Are you kidding? Who cares what most people think if you are stopping them from operating?!

And money wise...how many critics are there? Plenty right...and they spend THOUSANDS doing what they do. Why not incorporate a company and pool resources?

What about the Free Zone?

What about an entrepreneur who wants to make money selling them back to Co$?

What about doing it to save lives?

Honestly - there is so much talk about bringing down Scientology...and yet here you go, on a platter. It doesn't cost THAT much surely?!

Happy to be proven wrong - but i still think this should be the TOP thing being discussed by the critic community at the moment.
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Post by Pi » Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:56 pm

Vled wrote:
Pi wrote:Attacking them on that level gives them ammo to fire at us.

Most people will see the 'hi-jacking' of their trademarks to be wrong.
Are you kidding? Who cares what most people think if you are stopping them from operating?!
We can't win without the public on our side.

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Post by songbird » Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:57 pm

Wieber wrote:Anyway False Purpose Rundown soap is a product that for some reason appeals to me.
I dunno ... it strikes me more as a drain cleaner. :lol:

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Post by Vled » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:15 pm

Pi wrote: We can't win without the public on our side.
The public is already on our side. Have you seen the protests recently ;)

Trust me - there won't be any negative backlash against such a move. Even IF there was, that would lead to a media s**tstorm in which EVERYTHING about Scientology would be traipsed about...

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Post by Vled » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:17 pm

Anyway - i'd like to hear thoughts from the guys who have been going up against Co$ for a long time now...our opinions don't really mean anything.

There are people here who know what we could do with this and what impact it could have, and until they put me in my place i can't see why we WOULDN'T do this?!

Arnie, Tory, Don Carlo, Swift, songbird etc. etc. What do you guys think about this?


Oh, and let's presume that money isn't a factor... ;)

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Post by Vled » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:47 pm

r.e. Costs of doing so - found this:

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HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO REGISTER A TRADE MARK? That depends upon a number of factors which range from which trade mark attorney you use (London firms with their higher rent and rates might be more expensive) to how complicated the case is. . I can only speak for myself. Through us, it will cost £350 for a basic application covering only the United Kingdom. To register a trade mark as a European Community trade mark is likely to cost at least £2500 including all official fees, but that is good value when you consider it covers all 15 countries of the European Union by means of a single registration.

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This is hardly a hurdle...i mean seriously. At this rate i'd be tempted to do it myself :P Although that would probably mean i'd be harassed for the rest of my life...

Does bring up another question though: do they have trademarks still valid for the EU?

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Post by Vled » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:28 pm

Ok - so beyond the out there idea of someone pulling a CAN on these guys...surely the fact that these trademarks have allowed to expire says a lot about something right?

So what could it mean? Does anybody care? Or is it just not an interesting enough topic?

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